ShareReactor: another p2p disappointment

[eclectica]

ShareReactor was at one time a popular site with a listing of hashes of verified good files on the ED2K network. The site, run by Christian Riesen of Switzerland, has been very popular and useful for people who want to be sure that what they are downloading is not a bad file. Christian Riesen also goes by the name of "Simon Moon". Over the last year he solicited funds from the ShareReactor community, and received somewhere around 13,000 dollars in donations to get a newer faster server, that was scheduled to be deployed in early 2004. But that never materialized, and the site stopped working altogether in March 2004. No word was made by Simon Moon as to why the site stopped working. People speculated that perhaps he was sick, arrested by the authorities, or had server troubles. In a Slyck thread (http://www.slyck.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3799) it was pointed out that in fact the domain name sharereactor.com was still working, though the site was not, at an IP address of 62.2.249.4. There were twelve additional sites at that IP address as well, and they were all working too.
www.Adragne.com
www.Blackpearltech.com
www.Colexa.net
www.Gamesreactor.net
www.Gomp.net
www.Hentaireactor.net
www.Kormas.net
www.Lightsource.biz
www.Mangareactor.net
www.Prutal.com
www.Respectp2p.org
www.Talkbase.org
Each one of those other twelve sites was owned by Simon Moon, with a contact email of simon @ gomp.net. After that information was posted on the Slyck forum, Simon Moon broke his three weeks of silence and contacted several moderators, administrators, as well as the poster of the information on Slyck to request that it be removed. Yet he still didn't offer any explanation as to why his site was down.

All the rumors and speculation besides foul play can pretty much be ruled out in regards to the fate of Simon Moon. The existence of the twelve other sites ruled out server problems, and his efforts to contact members on Slyck indicates that he is alive and well after all.

People are waiting for Simon Moon to make some kind of statement, and are witholding judgement until then. They can wait forever because he most likely will not issue any statement. Or if he does, he will be vague and will not subject himself to scrutiny. While the reaction of many to his disappearance is anger, his supporters and clones have flooded the Slyck forum urging caution and not to rush into any judgement. Most likely there will never be any honest accounting on his part of what happened. He is hoping that people will forget about it and move onwards. I predict that in the future after a length of time, that he will return for a heroic resurrection, and people won't ask any tough questions, but will be willing slaves to rebuilding everything over again. This type of thing has been already demonstrated with UniteTheCows (http://www.unitethecows.com/), when they closed and sold out their forum to PCTechTalk (http://www.pctechtalk.com/forums/), only to come back and revive it several months later.

There has been much failure and corruption in the p2p community, because too many people are afraid to be critical and ask tough questions. It is the unfortunate consequence of having a supportive and friendly atmosphere. In addition to that, there is a desire of many people in the p2p community to try to be involved in a new growing project, because they want to have a role or to want to contribute in some ways. They would rather be a somebody following a false cause, than be a nobody with no cause to follow.

I am disappointed that people gave so much to a p2p scoundrel such as Christian Riesen, and would rather have seen the money given to people more deserving of our support, such as the p2p legal defense fund (http://www.downhillbattle.org/defense/) that was set up to help people being sued by the RIAA. It shows that even in the acts of charity that people perform, there are still selfish reasons behind them. ShareReactor was more appealing as an object of charity because it gave people all their verified candy and toys from the ED2K network.

[Beejus]

the wise man laughs and says:

Corruption within will bring the end


It's hard to put trust in people that you don't actually ever come in contact with (hence my reasoning of not using eBay)

It's a shame this is happening, but at the same time, the guy is smart to do so...gathering all the sheep like that and herding them to the edge of the cliff.... and making a pretty penny for himself...

Greed... it's a deadily sin that no one pays much attention to, instead they strive for it, or so it seems..

--------------------------

On a better note... Korn rocks for their latest stand against the Industry...

[eclectica]

Check out the Korn video:
http://www.p2pjihad.org/eclectica/Korn-Explicit.mov (12,188,490 bytes)

[bla]

well, he was arrested by the police.

[bla]

link here (if you understand german)
http://ww3.tg.ch/kaponews/online/meldung.cfm?meldung=4105&DESIGNID=1&DIENSTEID=9&DOMAINID=1&FLUSHID=-1&ID=2644&KAPITELID=-1&LANGUAGEID=1&MSREPLTRANVERSION=1325CAA7-887E-40F8-9332-6B6E5932A76B&PRIO=1&REFERENCEID=-1&RUBRIKENID=17&SERVICEID=26&TEMPLATEID=0&TREEID=1503&USERID=3005&DomainID=1&LanguageID=1&UserID=0

[Beejus]

I don't speak/read/comprehend in any way the German language...so if someone is willing to translate that'd be great...

[assorted]

if someone used share reactor, got good value from it, and donated money to it, then why should they complain?

the guy didn't deserve 12,000 for running sharereactor as long as he did and providing that service? how much did he take from his own pocket to get it up and running.

if i donate to soulseek, or suprnova or audiogalaxy, or whoever else i use(d) to get myt shit, i don't expect anything back. i'm just happy to have used it for as long as i have and my donation is a way of saying "thanks."

personally, i never did the share reactor donkey thing so i don't have a specific opinion on this, i just think that people expect to much while getting all their shit for free.

[eclectica]

I can see that the standards of journalism are pretty low in the p2p community. Since everything is online and linked, there are no journalists doing footwork and investigating things on the ground. So if a few sites start rumors, then other sites will pick up on it, and the cycle of deception will repeat itself. This is easy to happen when you have barriers of language and geography that make verification hard, and the only people interested in the story are other p2p users.

I see the latest developments with the ShareReactor story as being similar to the ES5 hoax, but the difference with ShareReactor is that the premise of their hoax is more believable; which is that "Simon Moon" has been arrested and needs more funds to help with his legal defense. ShareReactor is already known in the p2p community, and they don't have to try as hard to get people to believe in them. They are now cashing in on that credibility and putting it towards the collection of and disappearance of more money towards their scam.

Clones of "Simon Moon" and perpetrators of the ShareReactor hoax have flooded the Slyck forum (http://www.slyck.com/forums/), which is a widely referred to and trusted news source in p2p. Most people felt the issue was settled once they read this Slyck thread (http://www.slyck.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3867), when in fact the news writer SlyckTom was only parroting information he received at other sites, which were of shady and dubious credibility. It seems there are two basic sources of the crap that has been posted and recycled. They are here:

1. http://scsr.netfirms.com/sr.html
Media news

Internet-Site taken offline

FRAUENFELD (kapo) Due to the suspicion of breach of copyright and trademark laws the cantonal judicial Inquiry department of Thurgau has taken down an Internet-Site that served as a link platform for filesharing offerings. A process concerning these matters against the 25 year old owner from Frauenfeld is underway.

The Internet-Site located in Frauenfeld was online for about 30 months and last had over 220.000 hits per day bevor it was taken offline by the Thurgau officials. The in search engines toprated site worked as a anchorpoint for links to downloads of copyright and trademark protectet games and movies that were offered on the filesharing network.

After a complaint from several large corporations, represented by the swiss association against piracy, the cantonal judicial inquiry department of Thurgau initiated an investigation, seized the servers in Frauenfeld and had the site taken offline.

The responsible owner, a 25 year old swiss proved to be very cooperative in explaining matters at hand. The inquiries continue and will take some time.

Ernst Vogelsanger

2. http://forum.bucktv.net/viewtopic.php?t=2760
To everyone in the ed2k community

As everyone is probably aware of now, ShareReactor has been taken down by the Swiss authorities. This was done at the request of several big Multimedia companies, who filed a complaint. SimonMoon has been detained and questioned by the authorities. His house has been raided and searched for evidence. The SR servers and some personal hardware have been confiscated.

We will address some basic things now.

Is SR dead forever now?
We don't know. This is a serious situation, not only for SimonMoon, but for everyone who has something to do with SR. If SimonMoon prevails in this case, we think he will continue SR. ShareReactor has been his hobby (not his job) for the past 3 years. Through all the setbacks and complaints he never gave up. One and a half years ago his house was searched as well, he has received threats, phonecalls and cease and desist letters on a weekly basis, and he never cut and ran. So if he makes it through this, chances are SR will continue in some form. However, if he loses this case, he is in serious trouble, and SR will most likely be history.

Why doesn't SimonMoon tell us this himself?
SimonMoon is under official investigations. It is very likely that he has been told not to communicate with anyone, in order not to hinder the investigation. Or maybe because he is seen as a suspect and cannot talk because of that. Or perhaps they want to stop him from telling other people what they should do. Who knows.

So now what?
Now we do what we have been doing. We wait for more information. And hope it all works out.

What else can we do??
People on various forums have suggested donating money for SimonMoon's legal expenses. We like that idea, because we want to do something to help SimonMoon through this. The problem is that for that to happen we need to be sure that he wants it, that his lawyer is ok with it, and that we have someone trustworthy to collect the money. We will post updates if we worked out a way to do this. Before people start complaining about asking for donations again, SimonMoon did spend the money on a new line, but the SDSL company is a bit crappy. And that was the best Switzerland had to offer. As for the forum server, ironically it was finally assembled and ready for testing early last week. Let's hope we'll see it working someday. Thanks to everyone who suggested donating money for a lawyer. This is not only about SR, this is about the future of many p2p sites. If SR wins this, then things look a lot brighter than if SR loses and dies. This case will set a precedent for the future.


Some general notes:

To everyone who said that SimonMoon ran with the money, it may be nice to know that so far SR has only cost SimonMoon a lot of money. But it was his project so he accepted that. But the kind of hardware needed for the forum required a fundraiser. We can only hope that an official press release will stop the ridiculous conspiracy theories about SimonMoon. It has been very hard to stay calm and quiet while people publicly trash your friend like that. He didn't deserve to be treated like that. People even posted his address and phone number publicly. How low can you go? Imagine how you would like it if suddenly everybody with an Internet connection can find your home and can call you in the middle of the night? Also, imagine how it must have been for him to read all that, after he was detained and questioned, after his house was raided and emptied by the police. We want to show SimonMoon our full support, and we truly hope this will all end well. If you want to talk about all this, join SR IRC at gogi.tv, #sharereactor.


Kind regards,

The ShareReactor Crew

[Criminal_Sniper]

damn this is a bad day for p2p
who'd have know the swiss cops would have done that?
the problem is we just return
we are like ants
we can and will go underground

[assorted]

I can see that the standards of journalism are pretty low in the p2p community. Since everything is online and linked, there are no journalists doing footwork and investigating things on the ground. So if a few sites start rumors, then other sites will pick up on it, and the cycle of deception will repeat itself. This is easy to happen when you have barriers of language and geography that make verification hard, and the only people interested in the story are other p2p users.

you seem like a collector. don't you have a couple journalist emails on file from when they spammed napster software and (one time) naptitties looking for comments for their stories. you should pop one of them an email and suggest they look into this. it's a good story either way: sharereactor guy gets 12,000 and arrested or, sharereactor guy gets 12,000 site shut down and not arrested or, sharereactor guy fakes his arrest to get away with 12,000.

aye, good story no matter all three versions. and then you can have the verification you so desire.

[Criminal_Sniper]

dutch is very much inbetween german and english
except for a few twists
on my list for something to learn one day

[doghopper xxx]

e-mule is spyware... i have proof... in a letter from the motion picture greedy bastards of america telling me not to share.

[eclectica]

e-mule is spyware... i have proof... in a letter from the motion picture greedy bastards of america telling me not to share.
How about you give some more details on that, such as posting the contents of the letter? I've read of users getting letters from their ISP that make various threats in regard to copyright violations. It sounds to me that you have a lame ISP which cooperated with the MPAA, after they discovered you were sharing some content online and got your IP address.

I don't think eMule spyware is to blame. eMule (http://sourceforge.net/projects/emule/) is open source software and it would be hard to hide spyware in it and then lie to the p2p community about it.

[doghopper xxx]

How about you give some more details on that, such as posting the contents of the letter? I've read of users getting letters from their ISP that make various threats in regard to copyright violations. It sounds to me that you have a lame ISP which cooperated with the MPAA, after they discovered you were sharing some content online and got your IP address.

I don't think eMule spyware is to blame. eMule (http://sourceforge.net/projects/emule/) is open source software and it would be hard to hide spyware in it and then lie to the p2p community about it.


u may be right dude, but i tell u now that my ISP is the biggest in the uk, so it makes no odds how lame they are, emule has just been closed down for a massive part of the UK market... not that i care, i refuse to pay 'em any more, and after a brief period of respite i have decided to go with my original plan and sack the whole net thing off.

[eclectica]

my ISP is the biggest in the uk, so it makes no odds how lame they are
Tony Blair is the most powerful man in Britain, yet he is still Bush's poodle.

p2p filesharing is an international movement, and at times you have to think beyond your national boundaries to get the full scope on things.

How can you soar like an eagle when you are surrounded by so many chickens?

[Dollar_Girl]

so creepy, so very very creepy.

[vacantmind]

anymore news on this? good post btw.

[eclectica]

Interview with Simon Moon:
http://www.importantpeople.net/simon_eng.html

importantpeople.net (http://www.importantpeople.net) is a domain name that was registered 2004-04-21. They have two interviews on their site. One is with "Simon Moon" of Sharereactor, and the other is with "Sloncek", of SuprNova.org (http://www.suprnova.org/).

[eclectica]

Simon Moon from the interview:
"I'm being accused of violating Article 67 of the copyright and article 61 of the trademark law in Switzerland."
article 67 of copyright law, Switzerland (http://www.unesco.org/culture/copy/copyright/switzerland/page2.html)
article 61 of intellectual property rights, World Trade Organization (http://www.wto.org/english/docs_e/legal_e/27-trips_05_e.htm)

[JiMiThInG]

Simon is now doing his best to raise money to help fight the up comming court battle. I am against commerial p2p as much as anyone, but I never really had a problem with the ad's on sharereactor. They were always just enough to keep the site up and running. I also don't mind the fact he is tring to raise money now. His case might have quite an effect on sites that provide web/hash links.

[eclectica]

Welcome to the board JiMi.

I still believe that "Simon Moon" is a liar trying to make money. I haven't seen any evidence of his arrest or his charges, and some of the stories told accounting the events have been inconsistent.

At one point I noticed that he had a similar writing style to "SharePro" of ES5.

Here is the donation page for ShareReactor:
http://www.respectp2p.org/thread.php?threadid=109&boardid=4

[JiMiThInG]

Well buddy you don't have any reason to believe me, but I am telling you this is legit man. I know Simon from IRC, and this is no scam, really.

[manu]

Simon is now doing his best to raise money to help fight the up comming court battle. I am against commerial p2p as much as anyone, but I never really had a problem with the ad's on sharereactor. They were always just enough to keep the site up and running. I also don't mind the fact he is tring to raise money now. His case might have quite an effect on sites that provide web/hash links.

check this http://www.infoanarchy.org/wiki/wiki.pl?ShareReactor.Com/Conspiracy

[eclectica]

check this http://www.infoanarchy.org/wiki/wiki.pl?ShareReactor.Com/Conspiracy
EDIT:
That link wasn't working a week ago, but it is again working. I've attached it here in case it goes down again.

[eclectica]

Here is an updated list of the sites affiliated with "Simon Moon"

IP address 62.2.156.245
www.Respectp2p.org

IP address 62.2.249.4
www.Adragne.com
www.Blackpearltech.com
www.Chatreactor.com
www.Chatreactor.net
www.Chatreactor.org
www.Colexa.net
www.Domainidea.org
www.Filenexus.com
www.Galaxyorion.com
www.Gamesreactor.net
www.Gomp.net
www.Hentaireactor.net
www.Hydranode.com
www.Hydranode.net
www.Hydranode.org
www.Kormas.net
www.Lightsource.biz
www.Mangareactor.net
www.Myradin.com
www.Prutal.com
www.Talkbase.org

IP address 62.2.249.5
www.Jigle.com

www.Shareareactor.com is currently not active. Did I miss anything? There also seems to be stuff working at
http://62.2.249.6/
http://62.2.249.7/
but an IP search at whois.sc didn't find any websites listed for those.

[HeLL YeaH]

the above link to the so called conspiracy was posted by Earth Station 5. RespectP2P.ORG has been registered for months and thats NO SECRET. It's been taked about for so long, just recently was obviously a good time to make use of the domain.
i have no way of proving the imformation came from Earth Station 5 so please don't ask me for any evidence. Although the CAPITALIZED URLS and other very familiar characteristics give it all away.

as many will know , Earth Station 5 hates Sharereactor because Simon caught them out trying to steal his DB and use the unique SR materials. a few weeks ago ```sharepro``` started a ``war`` as he calls it against sharereactor and simon moon ----- this is just part of that war ----- more lies

don't get led in by obvious lies made up by the biggest manipulators on the internet

[eclectica]

as many will know , Earth Station 5 hates Sharereactor because Simon caught them out trying to steal his DB and use the unique SR materials.
You are referring to ES5's EarthReactor (http://www.earthreactor.com/). I wonder how they stole it. It seems to me that one could not steal a database. What kind of database was it and how was it stolen? I suspect that SharePro and "Simon Moon" are the same person.

[Unregistered Coward]

You are referring to ES5's EarthReactor (http://www.earthreactor.com/). I wonder how they stole it. It seems to me that one could not steal a database. What kind of database was it and how was it stolen? I suspect that SharePro and "Simon Moon" are the same person.

Youre kidding right? i know simon personally and i can assure you they are most def not the same person. if moon was anything like sharepro i`d have killed him long ago

[eclectica]

Youre kidding right? i know simon personally and i can assure you they are most def not the same person. if moon was anything like sharepro i`d have killed him long ago
I was surprised at how fluent "Christian Riesen" or "Simon Moon" and all of his friends are in English even though he is located according to the whois information in Frauenfeld, Thurgau (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurgau) in northeastern Switzerland, where the language spoken there is German.

Here's to everybody speaking the same universal language; it works for me
:cheers:

[bob_m]

hey eclectica. how about you comment on all the evidently false accusations
you made in this thread? ok, you didn't have all the information that is out
now (this for example (http://www.respectp2p.org/thread.php?threadid=129&boardid=4)),
but spreading roumors without any valid evidence doesn't seem like good
journalism to me either.

[bob_m]

I was surprised at how fluent "Christian Riesen" or "Simon Moon" and all of his
friends are in English even though he is located according to the whois
information in Frauenfeld, Thurgau (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurgau)
in northeastern Switzerland, where the language spoken there is German.

german and english aren't so extremely different. nearly every german
speaking swiss also knows some french and english. nothing abnormal there.

[bob_m]

I can offer a few comments on this if you'd like that may be
more fair and impartial than eclectica's.

I'm also 'Dark Messenger' from zeropaid and have spent some time talking
with Jade, Christian's girlfriend. She gave me a different perspective on the
matter and I'm satisfied with Simon Moon's version of the truth.

i think i am pretty well informed about what happened. i only found this board
by chance through google and i was pretty amazed about how eclectica
wanted to seem smart, while he repeated the mistakes of the "journalists" he
criticized. i had hoped that he would at least stand up and retract his
accusations he had based on some conspiracy theories because of lack of
real information.

[bob_m]

tim
eclectica stand up and admit a wrong? that isn't likely to happen. Not that
he's right by any means..just that he's a stubborn jackass and will never
admit to being misinformed on anything.

i guess you'll know him better, so i'll trust you on this.

This is a very small, very insignificant website anyway...i'm surprised it even
showed up on google..my best advice is to let him think whatever he
wants..it's an exercise in futility trying to convince him of anything other
than whatever fantasy he chooses for himself to believe.

the site showed up, because of a post in this thread, where eclectica linked
to blackpearltech.com, a site, that is hosted on simon moon's servers (and
where the ed2k-linkfree threads (http://forum.blackpearltech.com) from sharereactor are back up again.)

If you feel you have something SIGNIFICANT to add or even a differing
version to present other than what you see misrepresented here..feel free to
refute anything you feel strongly enough about..keep in mind though
eclectica's journalism is only bias opinion and not true journalism.

well, i just found out about that, lol!
i don't think that there is any need to argue any further in that case. people
who want to inform themselves have their possibilities (http://www.respectp2p.org)...

[Maze]

I fear all these p2p companies eventually succumb to the lure of money. It is after all what makes the world go round...and no telling what other kind of pressures they're under. They start out good...then things start to creep up. Eventually it seems to come down to "pay up or shut up" ...and we've all seen several shut up.

I think the eclectic one said somewhere or another (can't find it now) that open source was the way to go ...that thier attitude was in the right place ...the work concise & bloat free ...(or something to that effect). ...but something mysterious seems to be happening even there lately. Man, what a bitch.

Was it not fun or what when Napster first gained popularity in 2000 and a few million people got on there at the same time and shared everything which took everybody by surprise and nobody could do anything about it ...until they did.http://www.p2p-zone.com/underground/images/icons/icon9.gif

I for one took complete advantage of those days...lol. Well, we've still many options. I'm hoping TankGirl performs a miracle. It'd be nice to have an even nicer program that did the same things as Napster that nobody could touch ...but then I'm a dreamer.http://www.p2p-zone.com/underground/images/smilies/nod.gif

[eclectica]

I fear all these p2p companies eventually succumb to the lure of money. It is after all what makes the world go round...and no telling what other kind of pressures they're under. They start out good...then things start to creep up. Eventually it seems to come down to "pay up or shut up" ...and we've all seen several shut up.

It must be the pressures of family and friends which cause one to follow the wicked path of greed, along with having it as a part of one's character. I see that type of thinking as being more present in the late 1990s when there was a dot com boom. People in their irrational exuberance may have started up programs or websites and really thought they would become rich off of them. There are many people out there who are greedy but there are also a quite few who aren't, given the millions of people involved in p2p filesharing.

The p2p community is knowledgeable and informed, so the p2p programs which are benevolent to users and non-commercialized will have a chance to be popular. The idea that eventually anyone who makes it big will eventually sell out is just an excuse that the people who have already sold out or are planning to sell out like to make, putting the blame on a situation out of their control rather than on the rottenness of their own characters. The people who should be in p2p are the ones who have no expectations to make money, but do it because it is a hobby to them. Many of the passions and hobbies in life do not bring one financial rewards. Money does not make the world go around.

Though for many of us in the p2p filesharing community the end of Napster was traumatic, and for me personally it angered me into following the path of p2p jihad, I believe it's good it happened that way and I wouldn't change history if I had the power to. Before the courts decided against Napster, Shawn Fanning had already become corrupted with plans of turning it from a peer-to-peer service to a pay-for-play service. Napster's death was good because it is better for one to die rather than to continue living dishonorably.
:jihad:

[Simon Moon]

The people who should be in p2p are the ones who have no expectations to make money, but do it because it is a hobby to them. Many of the passions and hobbies in life do not bring one financial rewards. Money does not make the world go around.

Hmmm. I am in this becasue it is a hobby of mine. I never expected it to make money, only to cost money, and that it did, cost, lots. So far its only brought financal losses, no rewards.

Money DOES make the world go round. Just in case you didnt notice. Try surviving without it in your computer supplied, electrical heated envoirment you are right now.

I want to ask you one little thing. Stop using "Journalism" as a cover for your incompetence, it makes real journalists look bad. Like SharePro makes P2P people look bad you know? Wont do much good saying this, since you banned my ip from here already, but that was to be expected.

[eclectica]

Wont do much good saying this, since you banned my ip from here already, but that was to be expected.
I didn't ban your IP address from here. There currently are no banned IP addresses on this forum. What kind of error message did you receive?

[slx]

The people who should be in p2p are the ones who have no expectations to make money, but do it because it is a hobby to them. Many of the passions and hobbies in life do not bring one financial rewards. Money does not make the world go around. i can't make any credible comments on the merits of your statements, cause i don't know much about the workings of p2p stuff but.....

how come you haven't invest'd a lot of time, money and heartache in doing what these guys try to do?

all they can do is try. if they eventually conclude they must earn $ to continue, it's their business. they have 2 choices, earn income to keep going or shut down

at least, i suppose, they all started with their hearts on the right side....which is more than you or i've done.....right?

[Simon Moon]

Fact is, its impossible for me to view this site with my ip adress, and you already have proven you can use such wonderful tools on the net to find ipadresses. My ipadress is hindered from viewing this site. Strangly other ipadresses from my range can access the page, just my private one, cant. Besides you seem to pray down all my ips and domains every night before you go to bed, so i wouldnt be surprised by an action like that.

The thing about pages needing money, is the users fault so to speak. Too many users = too much power needed = too much bandwidth needed. And that is not cheap. SR had 2 costs, Hardware and Bandwidth. The hardware ate up a good 40k in the whole time of SR's existance. The bandwidth i wasnt able to pay mostly, but thanks to an incompetent ISP it didnt matter. Of course now they come after me and try to get their money, but thats a different story.

Each admin of a page with these proportions has his own stories to tell. Listen a bit around, its VERY interesting.

[eclectica]

how come you haven't invest'd a lot of time, money and heartache in doing what these guys try to do?
I'm not a programmer or a server operator and that type of work doesn't interest me as much as other things. There are many players in the p2p community, all doing different things. And there are some who will think I'm not qualified to criticize p2p network operators because I'm not one myself.

[Simon Moon]

I'm not a programmer or a server operator and that type of work doesn't interest me as much as other things. There are many players in the p2p community, all doing different things. And there are some who will think I'm not qualified to criticize p2p network operators because I'm not one myself.

You can brin critique as much as you like. The problem is, if i say the same, it has more wheight then when you say something. You know that of course.

[eclectica]

Stop using "Journalism" as a cover for your incompetence, it makes real journalists look bad.
You're the dude who went to Slyck and had them delete out references in my post to other websites you owned, which are listed in the first post of this thread. What are you trying to hide? Maybe your idea of good journalism is to take a heavy black marker and edit out everything. I'm not claiming to be a great journalist, but at least I didn't take your story at face value without asking any questions or having any doubts.

[eclectica]

Like SharePro makes P2P people look bad you know?

:nope:
Poor SharePro. He doesn't even get respect from himself. I think you are SharePro, "Simon".

[Simon Moon]

You're the dude who went to Slyck and had them delete out references in my post to other websites you owned, which are listed in the first post of this thread. What are you trying to hide? Maybe your idea of good journalism is to take a heavy black marker and edit out everything. I'm not claiming to be a great journalist, but at least I didn't take your story at face value without asking any questions or having any doubts.

I asked Slyck to do that, at a point where i was not allowed to talk to the public. I couldnt defend myself, and projects that have NOTHING to do with SR being posted like that, well, i dont know what THAT has to do wwith journalism. Theres only ONE project related to P2P, other then SR in that list.

Sorry, actually TWO, colexa and respectp2p.org, but at that point i didnt know what to use Rp2p for.

[Al Pacino]

eclectica, you're going off topic and throwing in irrelavant and uncalled-for comments.
If I didn't know better, I'd say YOU were SharePro, eclectica.

If you can't see through the bullshit smear campaigns I honestly feel sorry for you. SimonMoon is a good guy and doesn't deserve this unwarranted bullshit from people like you.

[bob_m]

:nope:
Poor SharePro. He doesn't even get respect from himself. I think you are SharePro, "Simon".
*lol* and who do you think you are? slycktom? mof? bill gates himself?

i am still astonished that you didn't comment on:

hey eclectica. how about you comment on all the evidently false accusations
you made in this thread? ok, you didn't have all the information that is out
now (this for example),
but spreading roumors without any valid evidence doesn't seem like good
journalism to me either.
perhaps tim is right after all...

[Drake]

I don't think Simon Moon and Sharepro are one and the same, but I'm not entirely convinced that Simon Moon has told us the whole truth.

He purchased several domain names after ShareReactor was taken offline. If the story he is telling is true, then he had to have known that it would cost him a lot of money to hire a lawyer. Yet, the first thing he does is purchase new domain names. That doesn't make much sense.

ShareReactor was averaging well over 200k visitors/day and I think the ads he had on his site generated more money than he says they did. Either that, or a percentage of the ads were distributed to some of the admins and Simon doesn't want anyone to know that other people made money from ShareReactor.

File sharers donated over $12k to Simon through the ShareReactor Website and nearly $3k and counting through his RespectP2P website. The one thing that bothered me a bit was the way he (or some of the SR admins) would delete any posts on the SR forum that were about the donations.

He first asked for donations around September 2003 and said that the money would go towards speeding up the forums...or was is his site? I can't remember, but even after receiving about $8k in donations, the speeds were not increased.

Then a few months later, he asked for donations again. This time the reason he gave was that he was going to sign up with a better ISP. The payoff for the visitors was overall improvements with the speed of the site and forums. Then he apparently gets into trouble with the Swiss authorities.

Who knows, maybe it is all true. I was a huge fan of the ShareReactor site and it never bothered me that he asked for donations. But the way he quickly censored anyone who questioned him about where the money went and what new hardware was purchased to improve the site was interesting. Why couldn't he just explain how the donated money was being used instead of quickly deleting posts from people who donated their money to him?

Regarding EarthReactor. They didn't steal Simon's database, they're using an old SR database that is available to anyone who uses the eDonkey network. I even have an old version of the SR database.

I would like to know how much Simon is paying for the server(s) that he has. He owns at least 22 domain names and if he only pays $7/year for each one, they are costing him $154/year. If he is really in so much financial trouble then how can he afford all of these domain names?

[eclectica]

how about you comment on all the evidently false accusations
you made in this thread? ok, you didn't have all the information that is out
now (this for example (http://www.respectp2p.org/thread.php?threadid=129&boardid=4)),
but spreading roumors without any valid evidence doesn't seem like good
journalism to me either.

I don't see any evidence backing your case at that link. I see German, which I don't understand, on two documents, and a picture of a computer. Simon says: "I removed from both documents the signatures, as those should not be publicly online, and marked the area where it was removed with a note. Everything else is original."

While you have used those documents to prove your story actually it is more evidence pointing towards it being a scam. Look at the picture of the first document here (http://www.respectp2p.org/documents/20040303invite.jpg) and where it says "Signature Removed". It's the same font and same font size as the rest of the document, even though it was supposedly added afterwards.

[Guest]

Drake, your posts were most likely delted because there were tons of threads about the subject, answering it. Simon and his friend who worked on the server reached a point where they were stalled and trying to get the machine to work, there were no updates to add. Imagine the pressure you'd feel if you had collected 8k from a couple thousand people for a fairly advanced piece of equipment and discovered too late that you'd asked for the money a few months too soon, before the available software had caught up to the hardware.

http://forum.blackpearltech.com/viewtopic.php?t=192330
http://forum.blackpearltech.com/viewtopic.php?t=200692
http://forum.blackpearltech.com/viewtopic.php?t=196822
http://forum.blackpearltech.com/viewtopic.php?t=196302
http://forum.blackpearltech.com/viewtopic.php?t=175039
http://forum.blackpearltech.com/viewtopic.php?t=185861

Those are all about the server and donations. See why he might have deleted them?

[bob_m]

eclectica

I don't see any evidence backing your case at that link. I see German, which
I don't understand, on two documents, and a picture of a computer.
lol doesn't that show that it's genuine? wouldn't you have been surprised, if
the swiss authorities had sent simon an english letter?

While you have used those documents to prove your story actually it is more
evidence pointing towards it being a scam. Look at the picture of the first
document and where it says "Signature Removed". It's the same font and
same font size as the rest of the document, even though it was supposedly
added afterwards.
it's arial and probably 10 to 12 point. every pc in the world has that font and
most people use it. would you have preferred wingings? what would that have
proven? while i may agree that it's not proof, it's at least hard evidence.
something that all those conspiracy theories simply don't have. if the letters
were faked, a real pro would have done them. who else would think to add
the possible parking spaces to a letter of the police? if you don't know any
german, find some friend to translate it to you. you wouldn't believe anybody
else anyway. yet you just accuse simon of things without checking evidence
and continue with your speculation - and you call it journalism! :banghead:

[eclectica]

bob_m there's a lot of smoke to what I believe without any fire. I'm just going by my intuition. You know, I hope I am wrong. I would rather be wrong and thought of as the unsupportive cynical asshole in p2p than to be right and see another scam succeed. I see on the front page (http://www.respectp2p.org/) that ShareReactor has received US$2907 so far, so it looks like you're doing okay regardless of what I believe.

[bob_m]

eclectica
[...] so it looks like you're doing okay regardless of what I believe
so now i am simon moon too? :clap:
i'm beginning to believe that the whole internet is populated by simon moons
and you're the last mohican ;)

seriously, perhaps i'm just naive, but there isn't anything in the conspiracy
theories that hasn't been been explained to my satisfaction. the swiss press
hasn't written too much about simon moon's case, but there have been a few
articles, notably a rather long one in one of the two major sunday
newspapers. on the website of the local police there was a statement and
there's one on the website of the organisation that started it all too. it's all in
german and french, but it's not simon's fault that you don't speak the local
languages of switzerland, is it?
french (http://www.safe.ch/franz/info/news/alle_news/005_news.php?navid=9)
german (http://www.safe.ch/de/info/news/alle_news/004_news.php?navid=9)
in contrast to what you seem to believe, i don't think that <3000$ will get you
far in a legal battle. spreading rumours harms simon and therefore
sharereactor and because of that finally p2p. do some research and discuss
your findings. that may be interesting. i don't know why you are so negatively
biased, but you do seem to ignore everything that would support the theory
of a genuine call for help from simon. gut feeling may help journalists to find
a story. nevertheless any journalist worth his name would do some research
and not just rely on his guts.

[Teh Wool]

You are referring to ES5's EarthReactor (http://www.earthreactor.com/). I wonder how they stole it. It seems to me that one could not steal a database. What kind of database was it and how was it stolen? I suspect that SharePro and "Simon Moon" are the same person.

http://cascadeyarns.com/graphics/ECO%20Wool.jpg

[eclectica]

Here's an interview with "Simon Moon" posted on the AfterDawn (http://www.afterdawn.com/) site, dated October 10th:
http://www.afterdawn.com/guides/archive/simon_moon_interview.cfm

The interview is unusual for p2p interviews that I've read before because there is an actual dialogue between the interviewer "Dela" and "Simon Moon". Most interviews that I've seen on p2p sites are a series of questions that are sent and replied to later by way of email. I don't know how they conducted the interactive live interview at AfterDawn; whether it was over the telephone, in person, or through a chat session.

It looks like "Simon Moon" has plans for profit in the future, as you can see from the last page of the interview. Perhaps "Simon Moon" will succeed with his Sharereactor project where he failed as "Sharepro" with with his ES5 project. The difference is that "Simon Moon" has the support and credibility of the majority of p2p users.