View Full Version : I'm still trying to figure out 9-11
eclectica
2003-06-08, 17:49
I understand that what was attacked was symbolic. It was the Pentagon, representing the American military, and the Twin Towers, representing American wealth. The fourth plane was headed for the Capitol apparently.
I'm trying to get into Osama's mind and figure out what he expected America to do. He probably figured it would do exactly what it did: start a world wide war against Muslims, from the wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, and the threats against others. Also the detention, deportation, and discrimination against Muslims in the United States.
Osama must have known all of this would happen, especially understanding president Bush's personality. Though you might think a war against Muslims would be undesirable to him, I think it served his interests because in the long run it created even more animosity towards the United States.
I'll bet that Osama would be disappointed if America remained cool and did nothing after 9-11.
Originally posted by eclectica
I'll bet that Osama would be disappointed if America remained cool and did nothing after 9-11.
I won't take that bet.
Criminal_Sniper
2004-03-29, 14:03
as well should know that BUSH knew before
its been backed up by his shit he babbles
mekajinn
2004-03-29, 20:43
I understand that what was attacked was symbolic. It was the Pentagon, representing the American military, and the Twin Towers, representing American wealth. The fourth plane was headed for the Capitol apparently.
I'm trying to get into Osama's mind and figure out what he expected America to do. He probably figured it would do exactly what it did: start a world wide war against Muslims, from the wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, and the threats against others. Also the detention, deportation, and discrimination against Muslims in the United States.
Osama must have known all of this would happen, especially understanding president Bush's personality. Though you might think a war against Muslims would be undesirable to him, I think it served his interests because in the long run it created even more animosity towards the United States.
I'll bet that Osama would be disappointed if America remained cool and did nothing after 9-11.
i think all he really cared about was osama bin laden... and becoming as famous as he possibly could... i think all the politics and religion is just a red herring... i think he has/had the same mentallity as mark chapman... plain and simple.
mekajinn
2004-03-29, 20:46
i mean, look at the flip side of the coin... do u really think GW gives a fuck bout America?
i mean, look at the flip side of the coin... do u really think GW gives a fuck bout America?
Time will tell.
Do U think Clit-on ever cared about America or Europe?
I've heard that the US and the Al Qaeda teamed up against the Soviets as far back as Afghanistan. Surely the US and Israel have operatives in the group. Hard to tell who's really responsible for what actions. It's just like America not only waging war on drugs but also helping to deal them.
I've heard that the US and the Al Qaeda teamed up against the Soviets as far back as Afghanistan. Surely the US and Israel have operatives in the group. Hard to tell who's really responsible for what actions. It's just like America not only waging war on drugs but also helping to deal them.
rightnapho
Criminal_Sniper
2004-03-31, 04:48
completely
but why does the american nation ignore these things
if it wasnt for ur government there would be these terrorists
there wouldnt be the hatered towards america
there wouldnt be the fear
and u sure as fucking hell would be dying for "NO REASON"
wake up to the world u live in instead of hopeing and pretending its some fantasy that it just clearly isnt
eclectica
2004-03-31, 08:18
I've figured out the meaning of 9/11. It is a commercial (http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_4171.shtml) for the election campaign of president Bush.
Criminal_Sniper
2004-03-31, 11:04
he uses an american made threat to threaten americans with almost
well propaganda does that in the end
Criminal_Sniper
2004-03-31, 14:06
flamer?
dont want to touch issues because they might change ur fragile little mind?
let go man
Criminal_Sniper
2004-03-31, 16:05
until ur loosing?
Criminal_Sniper
2004-04-01, 05:14
well say if i were to convice u almost or were leading to proving something wrong that u believed strongly
wether im right or just reasoning with u
u like to stop and turn or change the subject or lead it on and on somewhere else
i dont mind sometimes its just a christian trait
they dont like to touch sensitive issues once they are on the loosing end
wouldnt u agree with that?
Criminal_Sniper
2004-04-01, 10:08
well dude ive been living with intense bible bashing my whole life
i have broken free from the restraints of monotheism
its a joke to me but not to others
and ive been bitch slapped!
im not sure u could hurt me either man :p
Dollar_Girl
2004-04-02, 12:15
that MADE NO SENSE..elaborate more and explain what you mean.
p.s. your mastery of english is nearly impeccable..would you like me to be pedantic about pointing out improper usage of 'grammer' and mispellings or associations with colloquialisms?
heh i should be shot..dollar_girl before I 'ran her off' used to jump on me alla time about my improper use of grammer..it's a shame she never taught me what exactly it was i was doing wrong.
katarina will you EVER come back? or are you 'gone for worst' this time?
ur leaving 'this place'..no longer visiting and participating on this messageboard is the worst possible thing i could wish upon myself or anyone.
kat whatever you need to do..do it...but come back with the awareness you may never reveal your entire heart to me..you must hold back portions of it just for yourself..and never..NEVER let me get to close to you emotionally..if you do it will damn you.
i fully expect she's left now because of me..i in my mastery cannot bring her back..i'm sorry folks i've driven her away..how about a virtual stoning now?
dude, i just went and stayed with my boyfriend for a couple of days, went for a job interview today also, am finally looking for elsewhere to work... had a massive argument with my boss a week ago and i am fed up with his bullshit.
to anyone who is interested - update on my situation with my boss.
Ok, so a couple of weeks ago i asked him yet AGAIN for a payslip, as i noticed he conveniently forgot to give me one AGAIN with my pay. He went MENTALLLLLLLLL and started yelling at me that i am not to ask him for a payslip, how dare i make him feel threatened by asking for a pay slip and that he will not discuss this anymore. He also said that i have no right to talk to him about my working conditions, how dare i do so, he said that he will not discuss working contracts (which he made btw) with me as i am just his employee etc. So anyway, i also made the mistake of asking him for my 'set roster' which was HIS IDEA after he changed me from casual to working PART TIME... so after he went psycho due to the fact that i asked him for a payslip and a roster as those are teh 'benefits' he promised me for switching to part time and taking a pay cut, he decided to put me back to 'casual' again.
I mean he put me from casual to part time and he said that i will get a sure thing of 350 dollars a week for max 40 hours of work andt hat i could rely on that... and then after the payslip incident, i turn up at work the next day and he is like "I have talked with my wife, we have decided to put you back on casual" ... adn that was that. So i went from 350 a week, back to 180 a week... like a fucking yoyo.
Anyway he aslo once HIT ME infront of a customer... now by my standards i should have smacked him one back, but i didn't... i'm pathetic, because i am scared of being out of work... i'm sooooooooooooooooooooooo pathetic. I feel like a pathetic woman, and it hurts.
He also likes to stare and watch his employees as they are doing things... sometimes i will be bending down lifting something off the ground and he will sand infront of me and just stare adn say [in sri lankan accent]"you do that like a good girl"[/accent] ... which i find very uncomfortable... i hate it that he stares... the other young female employees burst into tears when they are alone with him. I have no proof he is paying my taxes, and if he doesn't give me a pay slip next week i am reporting his arse to the taxation office to investigate him. i dotn care anymore. He gives me illegal shifts, he treats me like shit... i was having a lunch brake... just as i sit down he says "katarina!" - i didnt' respond... he says "katarina!!!" i didn't respond agian... KATARINAAAAAAAAA! so finally i get up thinking it must be important and he says "I know ur having lunch but pour me some water" ... btw i get a 30 minute break in a 13 hour shift... or i will be serving customers and in the middle of it he makes me tell them to wait while i go hand him a dustpan or something while he just stands there WATCHING me... i really hate working there, the only people thjat make my day OK are the customers... waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa winge winge winge bithc bitch bitch
mekajinn
2004-04-02, 12:20
ur life is so interesting and ur so popular that it's a good job u post this stuff publically instead of talking to ur 'friends' about it...
ur arrogance is unbelievable really.
Dollar_Girl
2004-04-02, 12:30
QUOTE BY MEKAJINN : ur life is so interesting and ur so popular that it's a good job u post this stuff publically instead of talking to ur 'friends' about it...
ur arrogance is unbelievable really.
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what are you talking about? oh thats right, ur angry and bitter because i have been onilne for an entire hour and have not signed into msn to aknowledge you. For christs sake.
Isn't a forum for posting? all i did was post my work dramas. Are you angry that i havn't signed into msn to talk to u about them? Is that something i am obliged to do?
mekajinn
2004-04-02, 12:37
QUOTE BY MEKAJINN : ur life is so interesting and ur so popular that it's a good job u post this stuff publically instead of talking to ur 'friends' about it...
ur arrogance is unbelievable really.
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what are you talking about? oh thats right, ur angry and bitter because i have been onilne for an entire hour and have not signed into msn to aknowledge you. For christs sake.
Isn't a forum for posting? all i did was post my work dramas. Are you angry that i havn't signed into msn to talk to u about them? Is that something i am obliged to do?
no, not bitter... or angry really... i just thought 'there's my friend online... i haven't spoken to her properly for quite a while and a lot's gone on in my life, perhaps she'd like to talk'... but no, i just get ignored... and there was me thinking it was worth a little more than that... but i was wrong... oh well... c'est la vie... that isn't friendship... that's convenience... or perhaps a 'fairweather friend' as they are called round here.
Dollar_Girl
2004-04-02, 12:42
actually from what you write, it sounds like a convinience to YOU... notice you said u wanted to talk because "alot has gone on" in YOUR life. I didnt know i had to jump on msn first thing when i come online... like i said, first i wanted to read posts, concentrate on them and then post my replies and then maybe see if anyone is online on msn or something. Even friends i socialise with aren't as demanding as you are. I can't imagine my old highschool friend Tamara storming into my place angry because i didn't call her as soon as i put the key in to the door when i got home... or that i called her an ENTIRE HOUR after getting home... omg, a whole HOUR! wait till i put the key in the door, before u come bashign the gate down crying because you felt neglected.
mekajinn
2004-04-02, 12:50
actually from what you write, it sounds like a convinience to YOU... notice you said u wanted to talk because "alot has gone on" in YOUR life. I didnt know i had to jump on msn first thing when i come online... like i said, first i wanted to read posts, concentrate on them and then post my replies and then maybe see if anyone is online on msn or something. Even friends i socialise with aren't as demanding as you are. I can't imagine my old highschool friend Tamara storming into my place angry because i didn't call her as soon as i put the key in to the door when i got home... or that i called her an ENTIRE HOUR after getting home... omg, a whole HOUR! wait till i put the key in the door, before u come bashign the gate down crying because you felt neglected.
lmao... and nada has happened in ur life uh... apart from all that stuff in ur post... heh...
i didn't say u had to jump on msn or anything... but really, all u had to say was "first i wanted to read posts, concentrate on them and then post my replies"... but u didn't... perhaps because ur too important to lower urself to talking one on one with people hahhahaha...
it's called communication... wheras what u do is act like an internet diva... ur welcome to it.
Dollar_Girl
2004-04-02, 12:57
yes, not informing u of my plan of communication as soon as i come online is acting like an internet diva. Perhaps if u hadnt' straight away started with the common abusive text messages and posts etc, u would have received a simple reply as to "I"M BUSY FOR AN HOUR, TALK TO U SOON".
look dude, ur more demanding and dramatic than mariah carrey, you and harby are both alike.
Look at what just happened... i go stay at someones place for 3 days and harby ultimately assumes his oh so hurtful and clever words have driven me off lol... he assumes my life revolves around him... just like you do when i dont hear one of ur text messages and you ASSUME i'm ignoring you which result in dozens of abusive text and email messages.
mekajinn
2004-04-02, 13:14
yes, not informing u of my plan of communication as soon as i come online is acting like an internet diva. Perhaps if u hadnt' straight away started with the common abusive text messages and posts etc, u would have received a simple reply as to "I"M BUSY FOR AN HOUR, TALK TO U SOON".
look dude, ur more demanding and dramatic than mariah carrey, you and harby are both alike.
Look at what just happened... i go stay at someones place for 3 days and harby ultimately assumes his oh so hurtful and clever words have driven me off lol... he assumes my life revolves around him... just like you do when i dont hear one of ur text messages and you ASSUME i'm ignoring you which result in dozens of abusive text and email messages.
mariah carey? fuck off.
just fuck off.
hahhahahhahhahhhahahhahhahhaha =D
Dollar_Girl
2004-04-02, 14:06
yes, nighty night :type:
mekajinn
2004-04-02, 14:09
yes, nighty night :type:
night night princess =]
Dollar_Girl
2004-04-02, 14:14
we will talk about Pad tomorrow hopefully, though i work till midnight. I might come home during the day for a bit tho. will drop u email anyway. ciao for now u british bitch cow
mekajinn
2004-04-02, 14:20
we will talk about Pad tomorrow hopefully, though i work till midnight. I might come home during the day for a bit tho. will drop u email anyway. ciao for now u british bitch cow
god i hate u =D
i'll be watching footie from 12 noon BST... FA Cup semi final... manchester united vs arsenal... we all know ur an arse fan damn u...
ur 9 hrs ahead i think... if i'm here i'll talk to u, if not there's always pen and paper u know ;)
cau cowbag
eclectica
2004-04-03, 03:39
Dollar_Girl, you should have quit that job of your a long time ago. Maybe you haven't yet because you haven't found anything better. Do you live in a remote place that doesn't have too many jobs? I hope you keep looking.
Government or union jobs are good because the employer is forced to treat everybody fairly and follow the rules.
Criminal_Sniper
2004-04-03, 13:47
no brisbane is just a shithole
$girl move to melbourne if ya dont mind the cold
theres a lot more work and nicer people :p
sydney well thats a mix of shit in a bucket
how can people get away with that kind of shit?
id have left after the first day and known i was making our country a little better
maybe then we can have real people getting what they deserve
i find u cant even trust ur family to help or understand when it comes to money
the more they get the better they dont care where it comes from
this guy might be a terrorist too
right up the cops and report it and then theyll find out he is just a fuckhead employer
would make it funnier than just ringin the tax office
say hes makin profits by not respecting the rights of workers
damn thats a low pay too
i worked as an apprentice electrician and got 17 dollars almost an hour
if u dont get pay slips slip a knife down this fuckers throat :p
maybe taking things too far?
revenge is sweet and takes many forms
doghopper u are whining bitch and i dont care who is right
ur just a bitch
mekajinn
2004-04-03, 14:26
doghopper u are whining bitch and i dont care who is right
ur just a bitch
hahahha, nice put down, musta taken u ages to think of that u fucking dumb germanic-australian cocksucker... i read ur posts... and so far this is the only one that i have replied to, mainly because ur so dumb... u talk about shit like communism, which is a subject for intellectual discussion... only u have no intellect to actually back up any of ur ideas...
go read some books or something idiot.
Dollar_Girl
2004-04-03, 15:05
Dollar_Girl, you should have quit that job of your a long time ago. Maybe you haven't yet because you haven't found anything better. Do you live in a remote place that doesn't have too many jobs? I hope you keep looking.
Government or union jobs are good because the employer is forced to treat everybody fairly and follow the rules.
I dont live in a remote place, i am not far from the city. I am currently working in the city. It is hard to get a job in the waitressing industry ay, coz these days its not about reading the paper and calling up... its about who you know. Most of the jobs advertised are taken, they just advertise to be in accordance with the regulations.
I know i should have quit, because i am well aware when i am being used. Sometimes when i am being used i say nothing, other times i will break out a war. I dislike being used for someone elses pure gain, and i also dislike it when people think they are 'pulling one over me' just because i dont say anything. My boss is this type of person.
You have people who dont know shit, but they talk alot as if they know everything about anything, then you have people who dont say much, the quiet one in a group, those are the people whos minds are always working.
I think these days small businesses dominated and run by men who are constantly present within the business dwelling should think twice about hiring young perky females to be with them in the small office or workplace, because women are very quick to cry 'sexual harrassment' and sue in court when they are fired or feel some injustice has been done against them. I think thats sad.
I dont want to be without a job. I will quit working there when i have a new job. The man that interviewed me yesterday knows alot of people everywhere... he caters for city hall and does cocktail partys that have over 1000 guests etc. Very different to what i do now, but i will appreciate just the experience of it. I'm not afraid to get my hands dirty when it comes to work, and waitressing is hard work, but many people dont know that, because when they are sitting down, all they see is some girl taking out their food and bringing them a glass of water.
Criminal_Sniper... i couldn't afford to live in melbourne, i dont feel i am ready to move to another state and i dont think i am brave enough either. Brisbane ins't a shithole, many people say that because the city isn't as big as melbourne or sydney... but a small city, doesn't imply a usless or boring city. People overlook the simpler and smaller places and think they are dull or lame compared to big bright new york city or las vegas type places.
I think me and you should think up some cruel and unusual plans of revenge against this sri lankan cockhead... like somehow making his head explode when he says "katarina" one more time.
Criminal_Sniper
2004-04-03, 15:43
doghopper i never tried to tell u u were stupid
im not stupid
i might think differently to ur
we may both be wrong
but what makes u the fucking judge
anyways it seems u are a rascist who like to put others down when they dont sit down and say ok ill do what u say
fuck up if u want a put down down then i could really start
u complain to ur friends that they dont talk to u
this is the net and i know i cant be fucked sometimes getting on and replying
its mentally draining sitting up all night playing max payne 2 and coming to a nice place like this and having people question ur intelligence and motives
taking thing personally when u urself (no need to quote unless u make it up and forget) say that u dont take things personally and dont care about anyone or anything here
why dont u fuckup and leave in that case
$ i think brisbanes ok but melbourne rocks :p
i used to live in small towns
lake catai near port maquarie population 450
it was so much fun we had a lot to do
not the same things as big cities but the quietness and holiday season made up for that :)
ive already been plotting against this fucker too dont u worry
;)
mekajinn
2004-04-03, 15:53
doghopper i never tried to tell u u were stupid
im not stupid
i might think differently to ur
we may both be wrong
but what makes u the fucking judge
anyways it seems u are a rascist who like to put others down when they dont sit down and say ok ill do what u say
fuck up if u want a put down down then i could really start
u complain to ur friends that they dont talk to u
this is the net and i know i cant be fucked sometimes getting on and replying
its mentally draining sitting up all night playing max payne 2 and coming to a nice place like this and having people question ur intelligence and motives
taking thing personally when u urself (no need to quote unless u make it up and forget) say that u dont take things personally and dont care about anyone or anything here
why dont u fuckup and leave in that case
lmao... u called me a bitch, i never even spoke to u before that... so why don't u stfu eh?
i never even told u to do anything, so why would i give a shit if u "dont sit down and say ok ill do what u say"?
and i think that qualifies me as a judge of ur stupidity...
but hey, i don't really care, i don't really think ur stupid... but i'm not going to sit idly by and let someone call me a bitch as an opening 'hello' when their previous posts contain opinions about things that i have studied academically.
Criminal_Sniper
2004-04-03, 16:07
well i have a right to judge and comment on what goes on around me
wrong or right
they way u come off to me is a very demaning person
people are not toys to play with
going to bed soon catch ya people
Criminal_Sniper
2004-04-14, 19:47
Tim u are the one being petty now
i dont think its any choice of urs just as it isnt mine
eclectica
2004-04-15, 00:17
The Twin Towers architecturally represented arrogance, power, and bullying. Don't fool yourself to believe that those buildings ever symbolized freedom and democracy. There is a desire in many of us to bring those with hubris and arrogance down to their knees. It wasn't just some dudes in Afghanistan or Al Qaeda which despised the representation of those tall buildings. Even the kids who shot up their school 1999-04-20 in Columbine Colorado had dreamed of flying planes into the Twin Towers. Those kids ended up fighting back against bullying in their school on a smaller scale by conducting a small scale suicidal jihad. The intentions and motivations of the hijackers weren't all that different from the actions of the kids in Columbine. They both were trying to teach a lesson to bullies.
assorted
2004-04-15, 05:00
The Twin Towers architecturally represented arrogance, power, and bullying.
I just wanted to chime in that I was amused to see today that Bush is calling what's going on in Iraq as "terrorism."
So we're in there, pretty much the whole fucking country wants us out. 2 religions that have a history of fighting each other have UNITED to fight to get us out...
I mean, my bullshit detector always started flashing whenver Bush used the words Iraq and "terrorism" in the same sentence, but aren't even the dumbest right wing fuckheads beginning to understand that he's been abusing the word "terrorism" to get away with whatever the fuck he wants?
I guess september 11 rubbed me the wrong way because an experience that was quite emotional for me was manipulated and used by Bush. And I don't mean it was emotional for me because I cried at the fucking country music playing over dead bodies on the news. It was emotional for me because I live(d) in Manhattan, that day and the weeks after were fucking crazy and probably took 5 years off my life, and I know some people who died. Bush doing what he's done the last 2 years has been fucking infuriating for me as someone who had to go through that.
How fucking dare he take something that happened to me and use it the way he has? Not only that, but use it to create more fucking problems and conflicts like what brought about September 11. What a FUCKING COCKSUCKER.
Man, I am so there at the Republican convention at MSG this September.
Criminal_Sniper
2004-04-15, 23:22
funny theyve been rubbing people the same way at least since world war II
well its been at its worst since then
and they wonder why so many hate them
i dont need to
eclectica
2004-06-24, 21:52
There's a new book to be released in a few weeks written by a current CIA employee. The author is anonymous. He says in it that Bush's "war on terror" is exactly what Osama wanted. From this article (http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,1242561,00.html) are some excerpts:
Anonymous, who published an analysis of al-Qaida last year called Through Our Enemies' Eyes, thinks it quite possible that another devastating strike against the US could come during the election campaign, not with the intention of changing the administration, as was the case in the Madrid bombing, but of keeping the same one in place.
"I'm very sure they can't have a better administration for them than the one they have now," he said.
"One way to keep the Republicans in power is to mount an attack that would rally the country around the president."
The Twin Towers architecturally represented arrogance, power, and bullying. Don't fool yourself to believe that those buildings ever symbolized freedom and democracy. There is a desire in many of us to bring those with hubris and arrogance down to their knees. It wasn't just some dudes in Afghanistan or Al Qaeda which despised the representation of those tall buildings. Even the kids who shot up their school 1999-04-20 in Columbine Colorado had dreamed of flying planes into the Twin Towers. Those kids ended up fighting back against bullying in their school on a smaller scale by conducting a small scale suicidal jihad. The intentions and motivations of the hijackers weren't all that different from the actions of the kids in Columbine. They both were trying to teach a lesson to bullies.
Sounds like a bunch of pent up frustrations to me.
Don't think I'd trust you with anything important.
I'm anti gov. I think u work for the gov.
Maybe u should quit the bitching on-line and try to change the system that feeds you. That might make you more credible to what readers u have left
eclectica
2004-06-25, 02:45
Are you a Libertarian nicobie?
If I were to find one word to describe 9-11 I would say that "terrific" is a good word to describe it. The other day my wife pointed out that the word is similar to "terrible" and "terror" but Americans use it to describe a good thing.
When the towers came down there was something that was satisfying in seeing giants and their hubris come crumbling down. Many of us weren't aware of it because of the sadness that people died in the process, but I think there is a universal desire in us to see things big fall down and to have the downfall of arrogant hubris. In Lord of the Rings 3, I enjoyed the scene where they showed the tower falling down.
http://www.lotrfan.com/RotK%20Pics/eyeofsauron.jpg
Criminal_Sniper
2004-06-25, 04:49
little people don't accomplish big things
i don't mean small in height BTW
little minds don't think big
haha libertarian
i think Bush is going closer to a fascist "security over liberty" police state
im guessing all this seems familiar to some of u in the states but also looking into the past with Hitler Stalin n such
its sad because they do it one little bit by bit
if we don't fight this we will have chips in our car that connect to our banks account to pay tolls (don't we already pay for them? :p)
and there won't be the slightest bit of public services
its all going back slightly
it got good for a while we are going not so bad but its all going downhill
no warrants needed now in the U.S.
something to do with the patriot act?
i have read a little
[QUOTE=eclectica]Are you a Libertarian nicobie?
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Yes, If that means smaller govm'nt, count me in.
Do either you or your wife take gov money?
teacher, gov contractor, welfare (entitlements) city, county, state or fed worker?
Where do u get u're bucks?
I've been known to be wrong before, but I'll bet u suck at the gov trough.
All the best wankers do. Mooooo
Criminal_Sniper
2004-06-26, 03:35
i take some gov benefits while im starting my business
i volunteer in two different places aswell so i don't think u have a fucking thing to go on dude
i can't see any shame
its shame when u give a fuck what the other person thinks
eclectica
2004-06-26, 15:02
Do either you or your wife take gov money?
teacher, gov contractor, welfare (entitlements) city, county, state or fed worker?
My wife is a social worker who works in Harlem, which is a northern part of Manhattan. She is a director of a program that provides outreach and prevention for AIDS, mostly for Africans. She gets much of her funding from the CDC (http://www.cdc.gov/), which is funded by taxpayer dollars. She also gets her funds from other organizations and charities. You can read a description of her program here (http://www.diversecity.org/paper/article.php?id=616).
She works about three times as hard at her job as I do but only makes 80% of my income. Social work doesn't earn much money but instead most people are involved in the field because they like what they do and they like helping people and making a difference in the World. Just last night she came home late because she was trying to find some housing for someone who had no place to sleep. She doesn't get paid any more to stay late at work.
There are other ways to leech off the government besides receiving funds from it. Those who do not pay their taxes fully are also leeching off the government. I'll bet nicobie itemizes his deductions and has an accountant prepare them so he knows just how much he can get away with without getting audited. If you don't pay your taxes honestly then you are a leech because you are contributing less than your fair share. Do you itemize your deductions nicobie? How much was your income and how much taxes did you pay last year?
Maybe u should quit the bitching on-line and try to change the system that feeds you. That might make you more credible to what readers u have lefti seldom agree with e's opinions however....i respect and encourage them...
what are you doing to change the system that feeds you nic?
and why would you want to change it?
My wife is a social worker who works in Harlem, which is a northern part of Manhattan. She is a director of a program that provides outreach and prevention for AIDS, mostly for Africans. She gets much of her funding from the CDC (http://www.cdc.gov/), which is funded by taxpayer dollars. She also gets her funds from other organizations and charities. You can read a description of her program here (http://www.diversecity.org/paper/article.php?id=616).
She works about three times as hard at her job as I do but only makes 80% of my income. Social work doesn't earn much money but instead most people are involved in the field because they like what they do and they like helping people and making a difference in the World. Just last night she came home late because she was trying to find some housing for someone who had no place to sleep. She doesn't get paid any more to stay late at work.
There are other ways to leech off the government besides receiving funds from it. Those who do not pay their taxes fully are also leeching off the government. I'll bet nicobie itemizes his deductions and has an accountant prepare them so he knows just how much he can get away with without getting audited. If you don't pay your taxes honestly then you are a leech because you are contributing less than your fair share. Do you itemize your deductions nicobie? How much was your income and how much taxes did you pay last year?
C'mon E this is horseshit and you know it. Just because you have cushy union job that pays you entirely TOO MUCH for what little you do, and your wife CHOOSES to do social work, CHOOSES to work 3 times harder than you for less than you make, its her CHOICE.
I know plenty of women that work for the same company that you do, that make the same if not more in some cases than males they work side by side with. I applaud your wifes big heart and dedication to her work CHOICE, but if not getting paid for working late bothers her, she has the freedom to make a change.
There is also a big difference between perfectly healthy AMERICANS (black, white, brown, yellow, red) No one has a monopoly here, that can spend 18 hrs a day walking up and down intersections begging for change, some of these people can do the 100 yard dash in mere seconds if they see a dollar sticking out a car window, but yet talk to them and they say they are too DISABLED to push a lawn mower or pick up trash or ANY other minimun wage job they could surely get. Why? Because that word disabled is all they need to put on those welfare and food stamp forms that guarantees them benefits. Half the time these people will have the nerve to come up to my car window with their sad looks on their face and a cigarette hanging out of their mouth.
Just a few days ago some reporter looking for sympathy ratings was interviewing this black woman on the steps of her rowhouse in Baltimore. The woman was crying about how welfare and food stamps doesn't provide enough to clothe and feed her kids, and how she needs physical help because she is so disabled she can barely get out of the house just to sit on the steps. Now Come to find out her only disability is that she weighs over 400 lbs can't walk more than 10 steps and is pregnant with her 14th child, the oldest of the 13 born is 19 yrs old, 6 mos. pregnant and still living at home. The 14 kids have 8 different fathers who are nowhere to be found or in jail including the father of the 19 yr olds kid, and of course this is everyones FAULT but her own. Then of course just as the interview is closing the pregnant 19yr old walks up, with a cigarette in her mouth and hands pregnant mom a carton of cigarettes. Who pays for the thousands of dollars of medical bills these two babies will run up when their born addicted to nicotine and probably crack? OUR TAXES.
No doubt there are people that need welfare and the rest of our benefits, but if Nic or myself fails to claim a couple hundred dollars in interest income or itemizes our deductions we're LEECHING off the government? Sorry E but someone could most definately point out that your over paid position is just as much leeching, and please don't act like you don't deduct everything you can when its tax time.
i seldom agree with e's opinions however....i respect and encourage them...
what are you doing to change the system that feeds you nic?
and why would you want to change it?
I won't crawl into bed with anybody I don't pick.
I don't think anyone should be forced into being a whore.
Going the gov route turnes u into a prostitute for more govm'nt programs.
NOT ONCE HAVE I MET A GOV WORKER WHO WASN'T FOR MORE GOV ENTITELMENTS AND HIGHRER TAXES.
This system doesn't feed me. It feeds gov workers.
That, slx is what I would like to change. The US can't control the world anymore. We need to get more clever if we expect our kids to have a chance.
This was in my local newspaper this am.
sorry for the cut&paste i hate it too................
SOUTH COAST MEDIAN PRICE HITS NEW THRESHOLD:
THE $1 MILLION HOME
Through the roof: Part one in a series
6/26/04
By MARIA ZATE
NEWS-PRESS STAFF WRITER
The median price of a single-family home on the South Coast of Santa Barbara County has reached the $1 million mark -- the highest in California.
The expectation of higher interest rates this summer has created a frenzy in the past several months, as buyers rushed to enter a heated market for fear of missing out.
Desperation-fueled buying pumped the South Coast median to $1.1 million as of May, the California Association of Realtors reported Friday. Year-to-date figures, the best indicator of home values, put the South Coast median at $1 million.
"The equity gains are like Monopoly money. There's so much of it to play with now," said Bob Stevens, manager of ReMax in Montecito. "There's a lot of moving up, moving down and moving out."
Real estate experts don't expect the popularity of Santa Barbara property to fizzle anytime soon. Economists say the incredible demand for homes in California and in areas with low inventories such as the South Coast should push the price of real estate higher in coming years.
Wealthy baby boomers looking to retire and a healthy supply of rich celebrity types from Los Angeles will fuel the demand for million- and multimillion-dollar properties, many say.
A median marks the point where half the homes on the market sell for more and half sell for less. In a community where middle-of-the-road-properties such as 40-year-old tract houses on the Mesa or in Goleta now sell for seven figures, ordinary working people are finding themselves transformed into "equity millionaires."
But the million-dollar median is a double-edged sword; the gains of homeowners can block entry for those struggling to buy their first home. Many of the newly minted "equity rich," who tend to be older couples, find themselves trapped in their current homes because if they buy a new house, they'll incur a much higher property tax bill. Meanwhile, younger people and families have to leave the area in order to realize the dream of home ownership.
"Super-high housing prices fracture the social structure of the community. That puts the diverse ethnic and age structure of the community at stake," said economist Mark Schniepp of the California Economic Forecast.
Many of those who cashed out equity gains by selling their homes have "traded down" into less expensive properties.
That was the case for Asger Pedersen, who sold his home in Goleta two years ago to buy a brand-new home in Santa Maria.
He and his wife purchased a four-bedroom, three-bath house in Goleta in 1983 for $179,000. "That price was unaffordable even back then," said Mr. Pedersen, who is an accounts payable manager at UCSB. "The incomes for the area were way behind housing costs. So that hasn't changed."
Although the median family income on the South Coast has more than doubled from about $34,500 in 1982 to nearly $77,500 in 2004, the median home price jumped from $142,000 to $1 million, more than a seven-fold gain.
Over the years, as the Pedersens watched their equity grow, they refinanced and borrowed money against their home to cover a variety of expenses, with "some expenses more justified than others," Mr. Pedersen said.
In 2002, after all their children had moved out, the Pedersens decided to sell their home to get out of debt. Their Goleta home brought them $650,000. They still have a "small mortgage" and Mr. Pedersen commutes to Santa Barbara for work, but overall the move was worth it, he said.
Many first-time homebuyers say they believe a longer commute is a worthwhile trade-off that allows them to buy a lower-priced home in the North County.
Todd Ranney, president of the Lompoc Valley Association of Realtors, said he has seen more buyers coming from the Santa Barbara area this year to purchase a home in Lompoc.
"Most of them are first-time buyers, and they come up here because it's where they can afford to purchase," said the Lompoc native.
With $400,000 -- two-fifths of the median for the South Coast -- a buyer can find a 1,300-square-foot home with three bedrooms and two baths in a nice neighborhood, he said.
"People are willing to put up with a commute to be homeowners. Once they're here, they find they enjoy living here much more than they originally anticipated," Mr. Ranney added.
Those determined to stay on the South Coast discover that financial help from relatives is often crucial to opening the door to home ownership.
Chris and Stacey Ritter, who bought their first home in April, wouldn't have been able to do so without help for the down payment, said Mrs. Ritter.
"My husband's parents helped us with that," she said. "They basically gave us our inheritance early."
However, even with a down payment in their hands, the Ritters still found it difficult to buy because of competition from other eager buyers.
"When we were making offers, we were floored by the number of other offers that were made at amounts over the asking price," Mrs. Ritter said.
The Ritters, both in their mid-30s, knew it would be a challenge to find a home they could afford, but they felt they had an advantage in that they didn't have children and weren't planning to have them. Still, it took the couple more than a year to have an offer accepted.
Their real estate agent, John Bahura at Century 21 A Hart Realty in Santa Barbara, helped them find a condo before it was listed for sale. The Ritters made an offer for $449,000 on a one-bedroom, one-bath condo. Their offer was accepted because they were able to close escrow in less than a month.
"It's just so frustrating that there are plenty of homes available for the affluent in this community and those with low income get a lot of help. But young professionals who are vital to the economic growth and security of a community have no place to live," Mrs. Ritter said. "Several of our friends who wanted to start families or those with young children have had to move out of town to be able to afford a home."
Ironically, those who own rental properties have felt the pinch of people leaving town because of sky-high home prices.
In recent years, rental rates have flattened or dropped and vacancies have crept up to higher than normal, said Leon Lunt of the Santa Barbara Rental Property Association.
More people have purchased homes in recent years intending to rent them, he said, increasing the supply of rentals, which contributes to flat rents.
The housing frenzy has created opportunities for new businesses wanting to take advantage of the market. EquityMates in Carpinteria, for example, matches potential home buyers with investors who'll provide a down payment in exchange for the right to share gains in equity.
And it's no coincidence that luxury bath fixture supply company Waterworks just entered the Santa Barbara market by opening a store in Montecito. The company, which sells bathroom sink faucets for about $1,200, sees plenty of opportunity where there's no shortage of million-dollar homes.
"There is a tremendous amount of wealth in this community, and many expensive homes. Those are characteristics the company researches carefully to determine its store locations," said Eric Carlson, general manager of the local Waterworks store.
First-time homeowners who buy at the low end find they quickly reap financial benefits.
"People used to tell us, 'If you have to eat macaroni and cheese every day in order to make your mortgage payments on a house in Santa Barbara, it will pay off,' " said new homeowner Mrs. Ritter.
"Now that we have a home, we have a sense of security that being a homeowner provides," she added. "Because we own in the Santa Barbara ZIP code, we
Seems if 'lurkie wants to cut and past he don have any problems...
Seems if 'lurkie wants to cut and past he don have any problems...
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This system doesn't feed me. It feeds gov workers. i saw the news clip earlier today...you know "WE" are the cause of the high prices, don't you....we get a good job, we earn too much money, we buy expensive homes and toys and the ball rolls on
we're setting the price by our demand for the next poor dude
and if i get your drift....you're just saying you, as am i, one of the working class, poor folks...
the bulk of the support comes from the working poor and we get nothing in return....
eclectica
2004-06-27, 07:33
I felt really patriotic after 9/11. But now that has all been lost because to me this country has behaved disgracefully recently. It shows you how much one president can make a difference in the attitude one has towards a country. Around the World people feel the same as I do. There was much sympathy towards Americans after 9/11, but there is now an unprecedented hatred towards them based on the cruel arrogance the country has displayed since then.
For me mourning for 9/11 had to be done on a personal level, because the government has exploited the issue. Already on September 12 Bush was plotting the attack of Iraq and trying to tie the country to the terrorist attack in some way. Americans have never had a chance to mourn properly for 9/11, because their leader has chosen to exploit it for his own Crusader games. It reminds me of how in New York city, whenever someone comes up to you and says "how are you doing" it is not to be friendly but to ask you for money. What that creates is a collective unfriendliness, because most people expect any overtures of friendliness to be leading to have some kind of strings attached. In the same sense, having presidents who exploit patriotism like Bush will end up making this a very unpatriotic and cynical country.
President Bush and his colleagues have disgraced and exploited the memory of 9/11 vicitms.
I felt really patriotic after 9/11. But now that has all been lost because to me this country has behaved disgracefully recently. It shows you how much one president can make a difference in the attitude one has towards a country. Around the World people feel the same as I do. There was much sympathy towards Americans after 9/11, but there is now an unprecedented hatred towards them based on the cruel arrogance the country has displayed since then.
For me mourning for 9/11 had to be done on a personal level, because the government has exploited the issue. Already on September 12 Bush was plotting the attack of Iraq and trying to tie the country to the terrorist attack in some way. Americans have never had a chance to mourn properly for 9/11, because their leader has chosen to exploit it for his own Crusader games. It reminds me of how in New York city, whenever someone comes up to you and says "how are you doing" it is not to be friendly but to ask you for money. What that creates is a collective unfriendliness, because most people expect any overtures of friendliness to be leading to have some kind of strings attached. In the same sense, having presidents who exploit patriotism like Bush will end up making this a very unpatriotic and cynical country.
President Bush and his colleagues have disgraced and exploited the memory of 9/11 vicitms.
Man you really need to move out of that cess pool you live in called NY. People ask me how I'm doing all the time and I assure you its ONLY to be "friendly", not one ever asks me for money. As for you EVER being patriotic..........Thats a stretch all by itself. As quickly as you blame Bush for plotting the war, YOU were posting some very un-patriotic rhetoric about the attacks. Whether you were doing it for kicks or whether you really were HAPPY that 3000 people died is your cross to bear.
Within hours of the attacks your posts had twangs of "What goes around comes around", and "getting a taste of our own medicine". Your an American and you have the right to your opinions, but don't lead people to believe that you were ever a Gung ho flag waiving patriot, that only recently flip flopped because of the President. From all of your posts I know you've never in your life flown an American Flag at your residence, not daily and not even on Memorial Day. You've never have even raised a toast to our fallen soldiers on Memorial Day, actually celebrated it for what it stands for and only look forward to it as another paid Holiday. You don't know what patriotism is other than the description you get from a dictionary.
Patriotism is something passed on through the generations. I'm not saying patriotism can't be learned or that a person can't become patriotic, but once you do, it's not something that can be turned off like a faucet. If your not patriotic now, you NEVER were. I hated Clintons guts, I wished a violent death on the spineless, integrityless, adultering, perjuring scumbag daily. Didn't sway my patriotism for my country. It was just painful to watch our people die in terror attack after terror attack, while our LEADER allowed it to go on unanswered time and time again, and even more pitiful he spent 8 years dodging White water scandals, Lewinsky scandals and doing nothing but covering his OWN precious ass, all the while weakening our defenses and setting us up for the big one....9/11.
I've always respected your posts, but more and more I see where you claim to have once been a Patriot and now ALL because of Bush you've become disgraced. If you've fallen from grace it's by your own accounts, by your own opinions, by the way you choose, and what you choose to believe. The exploitation and disgrace I see is from the MEDIA. Our soldiers could save a hundred Iraqi lives today, get water and sewage into a dozen more neighborhoods, some unknown private could give his own young life to save an Iraqi babies life and all we will see on the news tonight is those couple of poor Iraqis that were killed in a missle attack that was aimed at Terrorists that murdered 10 American soldiers the previous day in an RPG attack. Every day it's more pictures from the Iraqi Morgues and hospitals. Not one Story about the Good we are doing, and continue to risk our soldiers lives daily to accomplish GOOD things for these people.
Half the time these so called "innocent" Iraqi's that die in these missle attacks are willingly living, eating, drinking, breathing and sharing the same houses with the terrorists that carry out the attacks on our soldiers. Most of them could come forward and point out the terorrists and stop these attacks but they refuse. Not because they are afraid of their own or repurcussions, but because our soldiers lives mean that little to them. Stop talking about all your past flag waving E, it just doesn't work for you.
I know you've never in your life flown an American Flag at your residence, not daily and not even on Memorial Day. You've never have even raised a toast to our fallen soldiers on Memorial Day, actually celebrated it for what it stands for and only look forward to it as another paid Holiday. You don't know what patriotism is other than the description you get from a dictionary.
Patriotism is something passed on through the generations.ok dude..i've done all those things you mention and so did my folks and my grandparents...i guess it's been passed down like you said....so my opinion must mean something then....that is your point, right?
but i feel the same as e about gwb....he's made all of us look bad....i don't feel as proud about america as i did b4 gwb
you refer to clinton a lot...he made himself look bad, no doubt.....but you know something....by far, the majority of americans and the rest of the world still supported his rights to be a frail human, capable of letting his dick get out of control and supported his presidency to the end
fuck man.....bush may win re-election by a landslide, like ronny beat jimmy...remember?
but i kinda doubt those kind of results
But of course Bush can't be just as HUMAN. He can't make a mistake much less a bad judgement call based on info he was given not witnessed himself.........nah only Clinton is allowed to be HUMAN.
I could give a shit if Clinton was human and just couldn't help but shove his dick in Monicas eager mouth. The man had a responsibility to say I was human, I fucked up, and not lie to the country and a grand jury like a fuckin 3 yr old that got caught playing with matches.
But of course Bush can't be just as HUMAN. He can't make a mistake much less a bad judgement call based on info he was given not witnessed himself.........nah only Clinton is allowed to be HUMAN.
I could give a shit if Clinton was human and just couldn't help but shove his dick in Monicas eager mouth. The man had a responsibility to say I was human, I fucked up, and not lie to the country and a grand jury like a fuckin 3 yr old that got caught playing with matches.lol......clinton's little romp or failure to confess it to the world didn't cost lives, cause other countries to think badly of us, make me feel the way i do
certainly gwb is entitled to his mistakes....but then he never makes any, so the point's moot
unless i'm wrong, in the case of higher politics...shit rolls up hill...bush is responsible...not his advisors...it's his finger on the button...not anyone elses
he fail'd big time by not making sure of the facts b4 he nuked the "enemy"
clinton only got a blowjob man....how did that hurt the country
or you?
clinton only got a blowjob man....how did that hurt the country
or you?
If you don't get it you never will. Clinton ONLY got a blow job man... Well I guess that explains it all. It's not the blowjob, it's the integrity of the man who is supposed to be keeping the USA from harm. When in fact he did anything but.
Yes I expect a Fucking PRESIDENT to be able to say NO if some ugly fat intern throws herself at him. I don't think thats too much to expect from the leader of the free world.
Are you really going to tell me that Clintons "indiscretion" didn't harm the country and belittle us in front of the entire world. He made us a laughing stock that continues to this day. The world clearly saw what kind of petty weak little man we will elect as our leader, and they proved that by attacking us before Bush could rebuild our defenses.
Are you really going to tell me that Clintons "indiscretion" didn't harm the country and belittle us in front of the entire world. He made us a laughing stock that continues to this day. The world clearly saw what kind of petty weak little man we will elect as our leader, and they proved that by attacking us before Bush could rebuild our defenses.
maybe so dude...but the fact remains, clinton's still the 3rd most popular president in history.....and if you're a serious math man, you'd have to remove jfk from the chart because of the imbalance in the number of days served in office, making william jefferson the 2nd, next to ike
say jc...if you got a blowjob on the side, would you admit it to your wife on national tv.....or to the rest of the world?
i guess he did alienate us from the rest of the world by not doing just that...although, my impressions were that most, following the harrowing blowjob scandal were more amused than repulsed
i take it you were one of the minority....i respect your feelings dude
Criminal_Sniper
2004-06-29, 08:49
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/
polular means nothing
hitler
britany spears
two nice examples
see some truth and the real motives underlying these stupid decisions
eclectica
2004-06-29, 11:59
The media coverage of the Iraq war has been rosy and optimistic for Americans. Due to the danger there, American journalists spend most of their time with the soldiers and that distorts their reporting and objectivity.
As far as patriotism goes, I don't think it should be an unconditional love. If the country behaves in a dishonorable fashion then to continue praising it would lower the credibility and value of your patriotism. Criticizing the country is a good thing that will lead to reform and improvements. The problem I see with the United States is that it is hypocritical. It says one thing and does another. We say we support freedom but we torture and detain prisoners without charging them, and we stifle the free speech of our opponents in Iraq such as was done with the closing of Muqtada al-Sadr's newspaper.
We are all in this country together and you may consider it mutinous that I don't support the commander-in-chief, but considering that he has set the country on a bad course then I am the patriot for wanting to restore the country's honor and integrity. You jcmd62, with your unconditional love of the United States despite its bad course, are allowing bad things to happen. I am like Todd Beamer on flight 93 saying "Let's roll" when I say this president needs to be defied. You jcmd62, are like the cowardly fools who think that the plane is returning to the airport and everyone will be okay if they remain in their seats and follow orders. You see, president Bush really is a hijacker and a terrorist himself because he took the country and turned it on a path leading towards its destruction.
9-11 is a tale of two hijacking incidents. The first incident took place on September 11. Afterwards we were again hijacked and exploited by president Bush, ironically under the pretense of a "war on terror".
Well E I'm glad YOU think your such a hero as to compare yourself to Todd Beemer who lost his LIFE on 9/11. Your free to think what you wish, thats whats great about this country. I doubt you'll find many who think your comparison is a valid one.
You act as if you are making some, any, even an iota of sacrifice with your defiance as you call it of Bush. What you are doing doesn't take BRAVERY or COURAGE, and most of all it doesn't take any sacrifice on your part. What it takes is FREEDOM, the very freedom that you take for granted with your bogus comparisons, the very freedom that so many soldiers and civilians have died to make sure YOU have, freedom that appearently means so little to you.
You don't defy the President without defying our country, our troops and our citizens right along with him. What I see is not defiance that stems from love for your country, I see defiance that stems from hatred. Hatred that has festered in you like a cancer since your choice for president lost almost 4 years ago. We could have found and may still find WMD's in Iraq and the smoking gun that ties Saddam to Bin-Laden, and you would and will still have the same hatred for him.
Some would say that it is YOU E and people just like you that set this country a "Bad" course that will lead us towards destruction. If I feel change is due I will make that clear on November 7th, like I did 4 years ago. Not by running around breeding hatred and calling myself a hero for doing it.
say jc...if you got a blowjob on the side, would you admit it to your wife on national tv.....or to the rest of the world?
You know slx I'm not the PRESIDENT, nor would I even entertain that I could be. I'm just an American Citizen that didn't have to go to college, not inhale, have my DADDY buy my way out of Vietnam, then commit adultery and perjury, just to figure out that sex and blowjobs don't last near as long as the consequences that go along with them. This info came in that package of morals and values that my grandparents and parents gave me.
.....and before you come back with "I avoided your question". I can safely say that I would'nt have to admit anything so far. I have been faithful to my spouse for over 16 yrs, and not because I'm morally superior or because I haven't had opportunities...... faced with these opportunities it only took seconds for me to realize everything I would lose for that little bit of sexual satisfaction. I worked hard to pay for my home.....I love my son and don't want to only see him on weekends or less.. these are just a few of the things that raced through my head before the word NO came out.
I'd like to think that the PRESIDENT would do the same considering how much more he has to lose than I. Not just personally. I could be a hound and not lose the respect of the nation nor disgrace my country and every citizen in it in front of the damn world. No one would even know but myself, my spouse and the divorce attorney If I screwed around. You keep comparing me getting a BJ to the damn President getting one and in the Oval Office on top of it.
You don't defy the President without defying our country, our troops and our citizens right along with him.
You know slx I'm not the PRESIDENT, nor would I even entertain that I could be. I'm just an American Citizen that didn't have to go to college, not inhale, have my DADDY buy my way out of Vietnam, then commit adultery and perjury, just to figure out that sex and blowjobs don't last near as long as the consequences that go along with them. This info came in that package of morals and values that my grandparents and parents gave me.i disagree...each time we elect a different pres after one 4 yr term, we're defying him, aren't we.....and to imagine that disagreeing with the guy in charge is thumbing your nose at troops, citizens, etc is really stretching it man...as a matter of fact if you'll read a little, you might find that not all the troops & citizens agree with him either
defiance is what made us what we are dude, without it we'd be wearing the queen's emblem and drinking tea 6 times a day
we just can't let go of our old puritan values can we....so bill got a blowjob....i'll bet george & laura have had wild sex in lincolns bed too...and god forbid, maybe even in the oval office...i'd bet that many other presidents have kink'd it up in the whitehouse as well.....it's their private life...a matter between 2 partners
the worst part of the blowjob scandal, if you want to place blame, came from the republicans....what a fukin waste of millions of your tax payer dollars to force bill to admit he did her with a cigar while having his yanker suk'd....the only ones that gave a shit were the ones trying to boot him from office....and you of course
well dude, i suppose i'm a communist like E....i feel gwb did wrong, he didn't gather facts, he went on a personal crusade that wasn't an eminent threat....he tossed out priorities....(bin laden) to satisfy an old itch for dad
it's clear to the keen, clinton never lost track of bin laden, he was always in his sites, but because he didn't react and blow up pakistan like you might have liked, he failed in your eyes
Don't think you are going to conceal thoughts by concealing evidence that they ever existed.
Dwight D. Eisenhower
Yea its everyones fault but Bills. Once again you compare two MARRIED people having sex in the Oval Office to Bill committing adultery in the Oval Office. Jeez slx you have been hanging out over here too long. If Bill got his blow job from Hillary then bent her over the presidential seal, and made her scream who's your fuckin Daddy, then and only then would it have been their private lives and "a matter between two MARRIED PARTNERS" and we never would have heard about it until they bragged about it in their damn memoirs.
Men and women are brought before very PUBLIC courts on a daily basis for committing adultery and breaking their marriage vows. Remember the Pres is only human, just a man like any other. So now its all the Republicans fault and Bill should be able to do whatever the hell he wants because he's what...The President?? or a Democrat??? I see know that this is incomprehensible for you But I expect the President to abide by the same LAWS and Marriage vows as anyone, and I expect him to answer and pay the same price as everyone when he breaks them.
It was Bill and Monicas fault those tax dollars were "wasted". He broke the law, the goldigging, cocksucking bitch didn't swallow so she'd have her "proof" when she ran her mouth to gain that publicity and exposure she desperately wanted. You totally ignore the bitch Tripp who "accidently" leaked the story Monica told her because Monica was so upset she just had to talk to somebody and not because she was thinking BOOK DEAL.
Those damn Republicans, how dare they insist he answer for his adultery.
Criminal_Sniper
2004-06-30, 03:41
I feel like God wants me to run for President. I can't explain it, but I sense my country is going to need me. Something is going to happen."
- - George Bush, 2000
“What's wrong with my image? ... Am I the evil genius in the corner that nobody ever sees come out of his hole? It's a nice way to operate, actually.”
- - Dick Cheney, 2004 Jan 19
i think that most of u have a very minor understanding of politics
u only see results n go this aint fair
they aren't mistakes
WE DO NOT HAVE STUPID GOVERNMENTS!!
they are very smart and cunning
they know exactly what they are doing and will continue to
as long as they can get enough control in before u realise it they have more than money power they have slave power
patriots fight for the country not the President!!!!!!
if the President is good then he is a patriot also fighting for the country
what i know of Bush he has fought against and with the world let alone the United States from within
if they are like it oversea's than why not at home?
why all the fucking lies
isn;t it obvious to everyone they are corrupt and only one of them behind bush isn't or wasn't in some kind of Oil/Gas company
why can he deny claims of being in business with the Bin laden family?
they are real facts that have been proven with official documents
but who would want to forge something like that?
the only forging ive seen is in libya's case
and now them Iran and Iraq were haliburtons biggest customers back in the day
no bid contract my ass
it's true they are the biggest basically
u people are still feeling the effects of mass propaganda
ever looked into how ur government uses it?
on a daily basis?
in ur country!!
regulation is for enemies
thats all they do
and hearding is for cattle and thats all they do
homeland security?
patriot act?
they believe if they go against the contitution it must be for a good reason so of course people are going to worried unless it's for a good cause
BUSH=HITLER
do u think the German people though oh Hitler is here to save us or here to supress our rights lets start the revolution
fuck no WWII would have never got so far otherwise
u have got to be kidding if u think he just simply said this is mine and there is nothing u can do
Problem-Solution-Reaction
think about that before u believe something simply because it is said by people who are supposed to be ur leaders
they lead alright
but they may as well be blind
The day u can not go anywhere without a litlle ex-nazi with his kraut-helmet asking u for ur papers and ripping ur house and cars apart without warrants when u can't use a computer without an ID card
when ur cars are tracked
when even more telephones are tapped
checkpoints get made
noone in noone out
they are actually training for this
they get actors to yell
"I'm hungry!!"
"I've got children!!"
"I have RIGHTS!!"
"I'm an AMERICAN!!"
WAKE THE FUCK UP BEFORE U CAN"T
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George HW Bush does a lot of face-to-face business with members of the
Saudi Bin laden family. Early Sep 2001, The Carlyle Group placed an unusually
high number of Put options on several stocks, including United Airlines.
Carlyle made a killing when these stock prices plummeted a week later.
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Halliburton sold nuclear detonators to Libya, and KBR used loopholes to buy
Libyan oil.
Meanwhile, Rumsfeld's company sold nuclear reactors to North Korea.
Bechtel wanted to build an oil pipeline for Saddam. Twenty years later, they
finally have a contract.
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1990/06/25: Ambassador April Glaspie tells Saddam "we have no opinion on
the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border disagreement with Kuwait".
no opinion or no motive to help??
BUT they still went after them when they invaded later
OIL OIL OIL???
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2003/04/09: Despite promises to protect buildings, US army guards exactly
one site in Baghdad: the Iraqi Oil Ministry.
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how long do i need to go for people to realise there is something a littrle FISHY to say the least
ignorance kills
whoever taught u ignorance is bliss is ur enemy
Men and women are brought before very PUBLIC courts on a daily basis for committing adultery and breaking their marriage vows. Those damn Republicansis that right...site me a few or more prominent, newsworthy cases where the senate or any other exectutive branch of gov stepped into someones personal life and made a public circus out of it
links'll be ok
I'm not playing symantics with you slx. YOU were the one claiming poor Bill was just another ordinary man and ordinary peoples PRIVATE affairs are made very public when they go before judges in Divorce Court.
Why shouldn't Bill the man face the same public scrutiny as anyone? Whether it was the Senate that brought his adultery to the public forefront or his wife?
You haven't answered any of my questions and you keep coming back with the same horseshit that only you read into my posts. I never said the senate or anybody else in government stepped into peoples personal lives. They stepped into Bills because he was the PRESIDENT. If I do the same, My wife will step into my personal life by taking me to divorce court where my adultery will be made PUBLIC FUCKING RECORD. Are you that bored? Now you are just trying your best just to stir shit. You quoted what I said and you have to twist it around into something YOU want it to say.
You still haven't figured out that the SOB was the damn PRESIDENT not your goddamn neighbor no one gives a shit about. His damn personal life became a public circus when he stuck his prick in Monicas yap. Love the scumbag all you want, hell go help him build his library, but at least lay the fuckin blame where it belongs.
BILL CLINTON MADE A CONCIOUS DECISION TO COMMIT ADULTRY IN THE OVAL OFFICE, AND ABSOLUTELY NOBODY BUT WILLIAM JEFFERSON CLINTON IS TO BLAME FOR ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED IN THE AFTERMATH OF THAT FATEFUL DECISION.
Twist it around all you want I ain't beating this dead horse anymore.
I'm not playing symantics with you slx. YOU were the one claiming poor Bill was just another ordinary man and ordinary peoples PRIVATE affairs are made very public when they go before judges in Divorce Court.
Why shouldn't Bill the man face the same public scrutiny as anyone? Whether it was the Senate that brought his adultery to the public forefront or his wife?
You haven't answered any of my questions and you keep coming back with the same horseshit that only you read into my posts. I never said the senate or anybody else in government stepped into peoples personal lives. They stepped into Bills because he was the PRESIDENT. If I do the same, My wife will step into my personal life by taking me to divorce court where my adultery will be made PUBLIC FUCKING RECORD. Are you that bored? Now you are just trying your best just to stir shit. You quoted what I said and you have to twist it around into something YOU want it to say.
You still haven't figured out that the SOB was the damn PRESIDENT not your goddamn neighbor no one gives a shit about. His damn personal life became a public circus when he stuck his prick in Monicas yap. Love the scumbag all you want, hell go help him build his library, but at least lay the fuckin blame where it belongs.
BILL CLINTON MADE A CONCIOUS DECISION TO COMMIT ADULTRY IN THE OVAL OFFICE, AND ABSOLUTELY NOBODY BUT WILLIAM JEFFERSON CLINTON IS TO BLAME FOR ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED IN THE AFTERMATH OF THAT FATEFUL DECISION.
Twist it around all you want I ain't beating this dead horse anymore.no symantics here jc....i've never said that i agree with what bill did...nor did i ever imply it was proper....what i have stated all along is, "that" part of his life was private, it had nothing to do with national security or running the country...it was his freedom, his private, not presidential decision
now....this wasn't a divorse court....in all my years, i've never seen any law enforcement entity, be it police, state or court take such a prolonged intense look or even be interested in what's happen'd inside a couples bedroom...or office when no filing has been made
this wasn't family court dude.....it was a blatant partisan attempt to ruin a man life & career
and the fact remains...what GWB has done to us is much much more serious than bills blowjob....
how bout we leave it at we agree to disagree.....we're circling dude, going nowhere ...public opinion, ain't it a pisser :-)
I'll be enjoying the Chesapeake until next Wednesday.
You guys and gals have a happy Independence Day..............
Seeeeee Yaaaas....
FYI A mutual toast to all our forum friends around the web at 6pm eastern July 4th..... If you think about it. Nothing patriotic or political, just a toast to internet "friends".............
eclectica
2004-06-30, 13:29
It does not reflect poorly on the country that Bill Clinton had an affair. What is an embarassment for the country is that it became such a big public deal. It affirms the reputation of the country as a nation of prudes and hypocrites with the wrong set of priorities.
Comparing Clinton to Bush, Clinton has shown himself to be reserved when it comes to United States following the law and knowing its limits. Under Bush laws and treaties have been defied. So while Clinton may have felt he could do whatever he wanted with his penis, Bush has taken the United States Army and Government and made it the equivalent of his own uncontrollable penis that does whatever it wants to do and breaks the law when it sees fit. Bush's lack of control has really caused damage to the country. Also their examples just go to show that a man who cheats on his wife may manage a country better than a man who doesn't cheat on his wife. Clinton has mismanaged his personal life while Bush has mismanaged the country.
And besides I would wager that Bush is having an affair with Condoleezza Rice. He spends a lot of time with her. She could be the one really running the country.
:eatout:
Also, I'm not so sure that the reason Clinton cheated is because he has lack of self control or because he has a larger sex drive. Comparing Clinton to Cheney, who are opposites in personality, you think of Cheney as reserved while Bill goes through life with his foot on the gas pedal instead of on the brake. I believe that Cheney hasn't cheated on his wife because he doesn't have the sex drive in him to do so. I would rather have for president one that is full of energy and an appetite for life, rather than one that is barely alive.
eclectica
2004-06-30, 13:35
I'll be enjoying the Chesapeake until next Wednesday.
You guys and gals have a happy Independence Day..............
Seeeeee Yaaaas....
FYI A mutual toast to all our forum friends around the web at 6pm eastern July 4th..... If you think about it. Nothing patriotic or political, just a toast to internet "friends".............
Here's to you:
:cheers:
Here's to me:
:jihad:
My aunt used to have a house on the western part of the Chesapeake Bay in a place called "Scientists Cliffs". One thing I remember about the Bay is how there were a lot of jellyfish in it.
I'll be going tomorrow to Chicago where my sister is getting married July 3rd, and I will be coming back July 4th.
Dollar_Girl
2004-06-30, 15:00
i think the tendency to over-look minor offences because more serious ones are in the spotlight is a bit lazy.
Bill Clinton represented the US of A during his term of presidency and he had a responsibility to either keep his cock out of lewinsky's mouth, or try a bit harder to keep it a secret.
We put so much blame onto public figures such as britney spears for turning young girls into underage skimpy sexually active 'tweenagers', and it's marilyn manson's fault that kids shoot dead other students and lara flyn boyle is to blame that 10 year old students eat paper instead of food and become anorexic at age 14... but bill clinton lies to his country during a time when he was a public icon, and you jsut put it down to him having 'energy'... in other words 'boy's being boys'. Thats bullshit. It's also bullshit that monica lewinskly was victmised publically during the whole ordeal... it's not like he forced his cock down her throat, but because she's a woman... she MUST have been taken 'advantage' of.
How is a nation supposed to trust a man to represent a country, when he out-right lied to his own public. If him having his cock sucked by Monica wasn't a 'big deal', then he wouldn't have lied. I doubt he lied to protect hsi family... he lied to try to cover his arse before his public image was tainted. The real way a man would protect his family, is by not placing his penis into another woman's mouth in the first place. There is nothing admirable about this "energy" in this case AKA INFIDELITY, because to be honest, a strong drive and "energy" can be put to use in much better ways than having a blow job and watching a broad fiddle around with a cigar near her vagina.
'lurkie, u're still suckin' on the USA's gov'mt's teat in order to survive.
In my opinion you don't have a right to bitch.
Don't you think that it would only be fair that gov drones should not be allowed to vote on gov expenditures?
The laws are already on the books regarding conflict of interest voting, what is the problem with enforcing them?
I have no problem restricting people like you from voting to increase their paychecks.
Like I said before, "Have you ever seen a gov 'program' you didn't like?"
U like to talk shit ,but when it comes down to it, u are just another gov digit.
'lurkie, u're still suckin' on the USA's gov'mt's teat in order to survive.
Don't you think that it would only be fair that gov drones should not be allowed to vote on gov expenditures?
The laws are already on the books regarding conflict of interest voting, what is the problem with enforcing them?
Like I said before, "Have you ever seen a gov 'program' you didn't like?"
U like to talk shit ,but when it comes down to it, u are just another gov digit.say nic....after all this time, my curiosity finally got the best of me....
why do you believe e is a gov employee.....what gave you the idea?
do you have a clue what he does for a living?
slx
He acts like one.
Said his wife was one.
Once mentioned that he was a rocket scientist. (If that ain't gov work, nothing is.) shehe
Besides, I've been raggin' about this forever and all he ever does is play dodge ball with it. I'm coming to the conclusion that he don work at all and relies on his wife and her gov job to put the peanut butter on the table.
next question......
slx
He acts like one.
Said his wife was one.
Once mentioned that he was a rocket scientist. (If that ain't gov work, nothing is.) shehe
Besides, I've been raggin' about this forever and all he ever does is play dodge ball with it. I'm coming to the conclusion that he don work at all and relies on his wife and her gov job to put the peanut butter on the table.
next question......lol....no more questions nic
he may be a rocket scientist too....that, i don't know
lol....no more questions nic
he may be a rocket scientist too....that, i don't know
;)
happy 4th Slx.
Don't let tttimmy get u down. I posted a suicide thread about him on p2p...
Hahahahahahahahaa
Come on tttimmy, u can do it, just gotta try harder.
I promise I'll pray for u
;)
happy 4th Slx.back at you man....hope you have good backyard burger or whatever your flavor is......only good to your family too dude
eclectica
2004-07-12, 08:15
Here's an interesting site:
http://www.histar.com/events/911_tribute/
It has a picture of a "face in the smoke", which I find amusing, plus "osama incognito".
Alpha male jcmd62 ought to like this article on manliness:
http://www.histar.com/events/911_tribute/manliness.php
eclectica
2004-08-16, 23:46
Here's a good article on what Al Qaeda was thinking and how they operate. Notes and documents were taken from one of their computers after they fled Kabul in November 2001. To read the article on what was found, see the attachment.
eclectica
2005-02-04, 05:22
There's a University of Colorado professor named Ward Churchill who has written a paper saying that 9/11 was an example of the chickens coming home to roost and America getting what it deserved. They are now trying to get him fired from his job. Here is the paper, which was written in 2001:
Ward Churchill - Some People Push Back (http://www.tatom.org/documents/WardChurchill.html)
The author sees the victims of 9/11 as all guilty. I agree with a lot of what is said in that paper because in democracies the people are responsible for what the government does. Does that mean all the people are responsible? To say that they all are would be to treat the various factions and differences amongst the population as the same regardless of their differences. But to not hold them responsible and say "shit happens" would be an injustice too. 9/11 was an attempt to hold someone responsible for the fuck-ups of America.
It's an interesting idea to collectively punish a group of people for the actions of individuals within that group. That's done by the Israelis when they bulldoze the family houses of suicide bombers. The United States did it with its brutal assault on Falluja in Iraq. By putting the town to ruins they implied everyone was guilty by allowing a refuge to exist for the militants there. It's done whenever anyone can justify the collateral damage that occurs. The idea of accepting collateral damage is one made by the government, and terrorists must think that any civilians killed in their strikes are just inevitable collateral damage too.
Another interesting article to read is the one where Ted Kaczynski wrote his personal comments about Timothy McVeigh here (http://www.tatom.org/documents/Kaczynski's%20comments%20on%20McVeigh.htm). Read the fourth to last and third to last paragraphs where he mentions how the government is the one which started justified the killing of civilians.
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