how am I perceived in the "community"? [Archive]

eclectica

2003-06-15, 18:20

At TehRu it was user Dark who said, before editing his post later on, that I have no friends, and in my lonely misery I spend my time trying to harass others. Though what a man says in anger, such as he did, may be exaggerated, there is a basis behind it. I could learn from the insight of others because it is a different view.

I think of my self as a nice guy and as a loyal friend, but then again, so do all brutes.

What is your perception of me as a person? You ought to say what's on your mind. I need some self-improvement tips. Also, how does the general "community" view me?

We tend to judge others by anectdotes, or memorable incidents. So show me some of the patterns of my behavior that you've seen. How would you sum me up if you had to do so?

Pii

2003-06-15, 22:12

Having known you since SPEAKOUT as eclecticAsiA, my opinion, you're one of the most honest, friendliest, giving characters I've had the pleasure of knowing via the WEB.

HoWeVer, your thread isn't logical. To ask "how am I perCeiVed" can't be answered by an individual or a fEw people. Instead you'll get only their opInIon and or vieWpoint based on their knowledge of eclecTica. They don't know the person only the guy that poSts on a few BB's.

SomEthing more loGical would be nIce

napho

2003-06-15, 23:11

I think you're an intelligent guy whose mind is always working and overflowing with ideas. However this thing with .net and slx has made you become someone who hovers over forums, haunting them rather than being OF the community.

nicobie

2003-06-16, 01:29

Originally posted by napho
I think you're an intelligent guy whose mind is always working and overflowing with ideas. However this thing with .net and slx has made you become someone who hovers over forums, haunting them rather than being OF the community.

That's it.

Hence my eclurkie tag for the 'Wankin thief'.

eclectica

2003-06-16, 01:58

I know my .net obsession is one of those things that people find unlikeable about me, but would you believe that I've tried to get over it, only to find myself banned and trolled? I was posting for a couple of months as brute_force at .net until I got banned. A large number of members who knew me only wanted to talk about me and not the issues. The conclusion I can draw is that people actually expect me so much to be anti .net, that when I'm not, that's all they will still see in every post I make and in every intention I have.

I made my own peace with Gary Robinson back in March when I handed him back his domain, but the trolls who inhabit the friendly forum wouldn't accept me back in their community. If you think I am anti-net then I think you have misunderstood me. If I really were, why would I keep trying to get through the obstacle course to get back there? What draws me back there are my friends from there, and that the posts are interesting.

After being banned now at both Napsterites forums P2P Zone and TehRu, it will be harder for me to maintain contact with so many people who are on the other side of the wall, and be part of their "community". Maybe this is what Dark meant, that I have no friends because I have been banned from the forums in which my friends post.

eclectica

2003-06-16, 02:20

By the way folks, I appreciate your comments and I appreciate your friendship as well.

nicobie

2003-06-16, 02:22

Originally posted by eclectica
I
I made my own peace with Gary Robinson back in March when I handed him back his domain.

Then Y do U still mess with him?

Fatty 6 whacked me too and I could care less--He is just a taker.

(butt he sure can't take a joke.)

His joint will dry up and be gone, like this place, if something isn't done.

I'm doing my part chithead. ~strike that~, I meant dillweed.

Squid

2003-06-16, 02:47

Originally posted by nicobie
Then Y do U still mess with him?

Fatty 6 whacked me too and I could care less--He is just a taker.

(butt he sure can't take a joke.)

His joint will dry up and be gone, like this place, if something isn't done.

I'm doing my part chithead. ~strike that~, I meant dillweed.

lol your're wrong again shit thief.

as for how you are perceived in the "community"

Do you really give a rats ass? and what is all this about a community? Bunch of fucking babies and niggers pule and whine about every little thing. Fuck them and fuck all of you. Fuck me too while I'm at it.

eclectica

2003-06-16, 03:11

Originally posted by Squid
Fuck them and fuck all of you. Fuck me too while I'm at it.
:mansex:

I may take you up on your offer there.

It's good to maintain one's sense of humor in a time of crisis. Hell, it's not the end of the world.

Being cast into the wilderness is good, and it builds character. Like Jesus meditated for forty days and forty nights, I shall masturbate/menstruate for forty days and forty nights. Then I shall reveal myself to you in my holy nakedness.

Pii

2003-06-16, 04:01

iT would aPpeAr that the dusT may haVe seTTled in tHe napsTER forUm world. Most trUe colors have bEEn reveAled.

I neVer feLt EcLeCtIcA had an ObSeSSion with slX or .nET but an ObseSSion wiTh the PrinciplE beHind thE aCt of Banning Members.

like the Forum leGend, slX, i tOO have all bUt Quit beCause the WHOLE Napster PhilosopHY is DEAd. It died When GR Broke aWay and made His FrienDly Forum.

Now all NAPSTER LiKe forums are the Same. Not aBout Freedom to make a Choice buT THE COMFORT of aLLowing oThers to Look out for you and JuDge whAt'S in Your best Interest, whom you Should be associatED with, ETC

Squid, Sixx and Many others are AT Last & at leAsT being HONEST now, Like GW has Been all alOng. "WE DON'T WANT EVERYONE AROUND, SO FUCK OFF

aLL is Fine thouGh

I doN't Give a "RAT's aSS" abouT YOU eItHeR

Squid

2003-06-16, 04:12

Originally posted by eclectica
:mansex:

I may take you up on your offer there.

It's good to maintain one's sense of humor in a time of crisis. Hell, it's not the end of the world.

Being cast into the wilderness is good, and it builds character. Like Jesus meditated for forty days and forty nights, I shall masturbate/menstruate for forty days and forty nights. Then I shall reveal myself to you in my holy nakedness.

you think there was a jesus? i think there is one right now, a janitor at work is named jesus. suppose i should kiss it feet?

ummm.. nope.

Dollar_Girl

2003-06-16, 04:30

over-all i find you to be a stand up guy, somebody who comes across as loyal and fair, and you have proved to be a person of your word. I also find you to be quite honest, maybe that is just how i perceive your approach to interacting with forum members, perhaps it is your style of posting, but over all u r someone who makes me comfortable to just... be. Thus its a nice atmosphere, when one is aware of all the individuals, but they are also aware of the community.

Sometimes however, i find that you discover a 'weak' spot in a person, and then perhaps gain amusement by massaging this weak spot. This can sometimes come across as an attempt by you to be superior to a person, by purposley exploiting this weak spot. This as a result contradicts the image of you that i have eventually built up in my mind. this image however, is not static, it evolves, fluctuates, has temporary irregularities, as that is the way of life. Though i really dont think that is what ur attempting to do, i just think, that in any community, compramise, adjustment and sacrafice are compulsory to uphold a peace and create at least minimal 'fairness'. Over all , i enjoy your company and i would of free will vouch for u in other communities. I feel as though often you are misenterpreted and u perhaps suffer for this, by h aving labels cast upon you, which then seem to become the formed opinion of the masses... id ont believe this to be a weakness of yours, but rather a weakenss of everyone else, who leave no room in th eir mind for the contradictions of life, and the 'evolution' of individuals, or even room for 'mistakes' in judgement and evaluation of people. Ppl are too quick to judge, and i think the first judgement sticks in the mind, when ppl dont actually CARE about what they are judging, but rather just get caught up in 'hype' which is the phenomenon of Electica.

Previously in the early stages of what was .org and .net etc, i felt that you had erected a type of barrier, that stoped u from revealing too much of the 'softer' side of you, the m ore 'human' side, as you appeared to avoid the 'simpler' threads, where ppl were just talking, or fooling around, you tended to stick to the more technical and logical threads. today however, i have concluded that i was incorrect in believing it to be a 'barrier' erected by you, as overtime i have come to see that you are quite open in revealing the 'i'm human' side of you, as you have posted pictures of yoru family freely, your holiday to Senegal, you talk of your feelings towards subjects that extend BEYOND purely the technical and logical, your dealing with ppl also tends to show you are a man of heart. I concluded that i misinterpreted your 'formal' approach to posting, to be a barrier, and perhaps i misinterpreted as a result, other ppls less formal approach to posting, as a type of 'openess'. Somehow i feel as though you have been more honest in presenting yourself and letting ppl understand what is possible of who you are, than many other ppl i have come across on forums.

I find that you are unique in your blend, while you are 'formal' in posting, your sense of humor does not go unnoticed, your openess and honesty do not go unoticed, you're genuine, big hearted, ur a smartarse, your complex, your simple, your a dickhead, your a big lovely teddybear, your logical, your over-logical, your fair, loyal, u make mistakes, u make great thigns happen, and ur not afraid to venture to topics openly, that other ppl might be too weary of bringing up

call me in your next life yeah :eatout:

Dollar_Girl

2003-06-16, 04:36

Originally posted by eclectica
Maybe this is what Dark meant, that I have no friends because I have been banned from the forums in which my friends post.

can't judge a man and his life on the AMOUNT of friends he has... u can be surrounded by ppl your whole life, and never have a single genuine friend. I think when on makes true friends, they learn to distinguish friendship from social buddies. Thus to have friends on a forum can perhaps be the social buddy situation, and TRUE friendship, if it came down to it, would not be contained soley within the social situation, but would eventually venture out and evolve. :eatout:

Dollar_Girl

2003-06-16, 04:56

i'd also like to take this opportunity to say... i miss our slx :beer:

it just aint the right cocktail, if the slx experience is not present :director:

perhaps he mingles with the crowd, just like john lennon and marilyn monroe are still very much alive in the sense, that they never truely left the world... u hear the names mentioned as often as the wind blows... and you see the proof that such legends once did roam the earth, heaven, hell, far inbetween... but somehow, it's never really the same :coward:

eclectica

2003-06-16, 10:25

Dollar, thanks for the kind words and the flattering analysis. I miss people from the past, and I am sentimental for them. It is like you said, a breeze blowing, reminding one of other seasons and places. I am sentimental about places I've been to and people I once knew. Sometimes I see airplanes flying, taking off from the airport and heading over the water, and I wish I could go back to Senegal, just on the other side of the ocean from here. I remember people I once knew, such as in college or in the Army, who I will never see again.

Harby, I appreciate your thoughtful and borderline insane posts. I had ill will towards you back at napsterites.org for a while when there was something about you threatening the web hoster, but holding grudges forever is not a good thing. It is not my nature. I don't think anyone is bad really, but people act out of fear. They are like naked lost souls in search of warmth and light. I can see through that and see what makes people show their hate online. It is their petty weakness and lack of courage, which allows them to choose the path of hate.

And of course, I do appreciate the friends I do have, online and offline.

eclectica

2003-06-16, 11:26

Originally posted by Dollar_Girl
Sometimes however, i find that you discover a 'weak' spot in a person, and then perhaps gain amusement by massaging this weak spot. This can sometimes come across as an attempt by you to be superior to a person, by purposley exploiting this weak spot.
It is true, that my sense of humor is harsh to the point of being cruel. I ought to be more sensitive of others when making jokes. But then I wouldn't be as good of a comedian.
:angel:

Another thing I have to work on is my difficulty to admit when I am wrong.

eclectica

2003-06-16, 19:41

It seems that the worse thing one can be perceived as, is an enemy of the community. I was just browsing through the huge Zeropaid site, which one could spend a long time on, and encountered a question in which a guy asked "Why is P2P not stealing?". It was an unpopular question which got him banned. Yet he didn't do anything that merited banning, besides coming across as an enemy of the community.

If you want to read what I am referring to, see these four threads regarding user MGump:
http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10816
http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10819
http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10828
http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10829

I think I have been perceived as the enemy of Napsterites communities, and there's not much to change that. Much better to start fresh here, to start a new community of friends.

eclectica

2003-06-16, 19:57

Originally posted by Squid
as for how you are perceived in the "community"

Do you really give a rats ass? and what is all this about a community?
I wonder if what you're saying is that you don't believe in a community. If so then how do you explain the bannings and the rules of your forum? Perhaps you are against the negative usage of the word "community", as I am.

Personally I find too many people use the word "community" in an oppressive way. It is not a welcoming thing, as it should be, but instead a tool for witch hunts, intolerance, and exclusion. Regardless of how the scoundrels have corrupted its usage, I believe that every forum which has members who repeatedly visit it, has a feel of community to it.

nicobie

2003-06-17, 01:16

Try not to say 'somehow' so much.

I\U \we/everybody, wouldn't want you to be an "enabler".

I don think peeps change much. Somehow ? they can become a better person? Sorry, not in this world.

Take care of U're self sweetie. You have to do that first.

nanook

2003-06-21, 01:11

The conclusion I can draw is that people actually expect me so much to be anti .net, that when I'm not, that's all they will still see in every post I make and in every intention I have.

this is the key.
and it is unfortunate, because as most of us who know you, are aware, there is more to you than one of many personas on the internet.

i will add that you are a man of thought and passion.
loyal and true.
u r giving and helpful.
u r a beautiful writer.

i know this sentiment of which u speak and i know how u r with it.
hence...it is why i am here.

i miss u too.

badfish_76

2003-06-21, 03:46

I see you as eccentric and a little strange at times but most ppl I know are that way and I feel like ypu are straight up and honest about your feelings and I respect that. I think I am confused as to when it started to matter to you what others think. :bluefish:

eclectica

2003-06-21, 04:51

Originally posted by nanook
this is the key.
and it is unfortunate, because as most of us who know you, are aware, there is more to you than one of many personas on the internet.

i will add that you are a man of thought and passion.
loyal and true.
u r giving and helpful.
u r a beautiful writer.

i know this sentiment of which u speak and i know how u r with it.
hence...it is why i am here.

i miss u too.
nanook, I'm so glad you're here; I was missing you. I haven't heard from you in a while. This place didn't feel right without you. I appreciate your friendship and your kind words.
:eatout:

Welcome aboard!
:eatout: :eatout:

eclectica

2003-06-21, 04:59

Originally posted by badfish_76
I think I am confused as to when it started to matter to you what others think.
It matters at first, but in the long run I get over it, and it doesn't matter so much. Maybe I come across as a tough guy but usually my first reaction to being rejected is hurt. I get over it and even me posting this thread, is my way of getting over it and talking about what bothers me.

I was really depressed last Sunday when I first posted it, to the point of tears.

I recover fast from depression, and it lasted only about an hour. The kind words of folks here was touching to me as well and cheered me up.

Dollar_Girl

2003-06-21, 11:50

i think alot of ppl are too embarassed to admit that they take something personally, that someone else online writes. I think in the end... it still comes down to human-to-human communication... and there is no shame in feeling any emotion whatever the medium of contact happens to be.

nicobie

2003-06-22, 01:01

Originally posted by Dollar_Girl
i think alot ... and there is no shame in feeling any emotion whatever the medium of contact happens to be.

That's freakin' right..

unless U feel like killing somebody. Then it's wrong

period

badfish_76

2003-06-22, 01:04

Oh come on Nic you know that you are a serial killer and you use you wood shop tools to cut up the bodies!:bluefish:

nicobie

2003-06-22, 01:10

Originally posted by badfish_76
Oh come on Nic you know that you are a serial killer and you use you wood shop tools to cut up the bodies!:bluefish:

Hehe

bodys require a 2 tpi blade.

Dollar_Girl

2003-06-22, 07:03

nah... its okay to think about killing people, as long as you dont go and do it :p

There is no different between an ordinary person and a 'potential' killer, untill one of them commits the act.
untill then... we're all innocent no matter what we think bout :eatout:

btw hi nanook and badfish! nook, u been gone a long time girl :coward: was getting worried :coward:

eclectica

2003-09-10, 02:29

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Column/1122/FLOODPJ.htm
excerpt:

King Lycaon of Arcadia was typical of the mortals of his day, without respect for other men, beasts, or the gods themselves. It so happened that Zeus was traveling the earth in human guise, becoming more and more dismayed at the inhumanity of the mortals he was encountering, when he chanced upon the castle of King Lycaon. He entered when he heard sounds of revelry within, and found the king, his family, and his nobles eating their evening meal. He requested hospitality and a meal as was the custom among the gods when welcoming a stranger. The king bade him sit at the table, and whispered instructions to a servant, saying to the stranger that he was ordering a hot meal for him. When the servant returned, the king took the platter from him and set it before the stranger. Zeus took one look at the platter and exploded into a burning rage, for before him, strewed amid the meat and bones on the platter, were dismembered parts of a human being. In his fury Zeus literally burned all before him; the only survivor was Lycaon, who found himself transformed into a wolf. Upon his return to Olympus, Zeus ordered the gods to unleash a flood onto the earth; his aim was to destroy the human race.
This Greek myth is about testing your friends, to see who are your real friends and who really behaves in a virtuous fashion.

Many people in a forum will post the appropriate smilies, give you their unlimited sympathy and support, and the happy birthday wishes, but how many of those people are genuine? It doesn't take much effort for a person to behave nice on a forum. All one has to do is say the right thing and appear to mean well. It's okay to be duplicitous too, because that will just be excused as more evidence of a person's niceness.

If you want to see who your friends are, don't come with the lofty airs of an "esteemed member of the community". Instead come under the guise of a person who is an "enemy of the community" and see if they treat you with minimal decency and defend your basic rights.

You see, a real friend will not be a coward and will have the will to defy the "community" on your behalf, even if he doesn't know who you are. Strong communities start with the defense and respect of the individual. It is ironic, but in order to build a strong community, one must be willing to defy that very same community in defense of the individual.

Criminal_Sniper

2003-09-11, 15:31

man ur cool!!!!!
haha who gives a fuck anyway
and what are friends? u can get along if u didnt have any anyway
some people with tons of friends how can they see them all?
5 mins hi bye hmm anyway

it is ok to kill someone if they are really bad
like they used to do it for crimes and everyone was too scared to do anything much wrong :P
going on a shooting spree? well rethink and relax cause ya know where ya going there lol
and think of the bunnies! ? ok im going to bed :beer:

nicobie

2003-09-12, 02:53

No no No,
can't eat people

I think it's kinda like 3rd cousin laws.

yuc

slx

2004-01-04, 03:23

unregistered

2004-01-04, 03:37

harby? hi. Remember me? I'm the one that told you to hang on to your happy and hopeful feelings that morning when you woke up feeling so good. Then you took a friend's mom flowers. Then later on you were about to fuck up.

Think I haven't been paying attention? I have. I feel immense pain in your words sometimes and I have seen you here, trying to reach out and trying to fit in. I have also seen you being embraced here, and I mean that in a good way. Aside from the obligatory smart ass remarks, they do care about you. If they didn't they wouldn't bother responding at all.

I have read everything written here last night and I have no idea what you are talking about. Want to clarify?

slx

2004-01-04, 03:40

Originally posted by unregistered
harby? hi. Remember me? I'm the one that told you to hang on to your happy and hopeful feelings that morning when you woke up feeling so good. Then you took a friend's mom flowers. Then later on you were about to fuck up.

Think I haven't been paying attention? I have. I feel immense pain in your words sometimes and I have seen you here, trying to reach out and trying to fit in. I have also seen you being embraced here, and I mean that in a good way. Aside from the obligatory smart ass remarks, they do care about you. If they didn't they wouldn't bother responding at all.

I have read everything written here last night and I have no idea what you are talking about. Want to clarify? lol....he's just playing the drama queen....

he'll grizzle for awhile then be back

nicobie

2004-01-04, 03:41

I need help fucking with 'lerkie.

Any ideas I should pershu?

I like the ones that creap-up and bite him/her in the ass. U know, like giving 'em a bit of rope.

It's been a while dudette.

slx

2004-01-04, 03:54

Originally posted by nicobie
I need help fucking with 'lerkie.

Any ideas I should pershu?

I like the ones that creap-up and bite him/her in the ass. U know, like giving 'em a bit of rope.

It's been a while dudette. yes it has been awhile nic....i thought i may help (hopefully) put a lil woooosh in the joint.........

how are you man

i hope life's great in sunny CA

you still shaping wood?

Unregistered

2004-01-04, 05:07

Originally posted by unregistered
harby? hi. Remember me? I'm the one that told you to hang on to your happy and hopeful feelings that morning when you woke up feeling so good. Then you took a friend's mom flowers. Then later on you were about to fuck up.

Think I haven't been paying attention? I have. I feel immense pain in your words sometimes and I have seen you here, trying to reach out and trying to fit in. I have also seen you being embraced here, and I mean that in a good way. Aside from the obligatory smart ass remarks, they do care about you. If they didn't they wouldn't bother responding at all.

I have read everything written here last night and I have no idea what you are talking about. Want to clarify?

kel, is this you? if it is..then this would help it to make some sense to me.

Unregistered

2004-01-04, 05:41

Originally posted by Unregistered
kel, is this you? if it is..then this would help it to make some sense to me.
Who's asking?

eclectica

2004-01-04, 17:53

Originally posted by harby
my view of you has changed based upon the events of the preceding night here on January 2, 2003 [friday]

disappointment and disillusion come to mind...shame and embarassment..like a broken faith or trust that i had in you is now gone..i laid bare my soul to you giving you my friendship...i feel as though i've been betrayed now. held nothing back...gave you my all...laid all my cards upon the table...i held nothing back from you...what and why then have you witheld from me.

all i can is for you not to boast like one who has taken off his armour(i have laid bare my very soul to you) while you have put on full protective gear...for some reason unknown to me...you reserved yourself from my friendship choosing instead to laugh at and scorn me.

did you want to run 'harby'/tim off? did you want to hurt me? embarass me? you suceeded...does it feel happy for you now having 'better'd me?

harby got pwn'd last night...but that wasn't the only thing that happened...tom lost a person who really wanted his friendship.
You don't know what it means to be a friend. For one you have to accept me for how I am, rather than expect me to coddle you. I feel like I'm dealing with someone from the Special Olympics and I can't be allowed to break the news to you that you're no real athlete. You want special accomodations and treatment, and I have to watch my words carefully for fear of hurting your feelings. I am not at ease around you. That's not a friendship.

Another reason why you are not a friend is that when things don't go right you quickly throw the friendship away. Friendships should be solid, and if a person is having a bad day then you forgive the person if they are your friend. You should expect of your friends to give you reality checks rather than to coddle you. You blow things out of proportion and think you have been attacked. You ought to actually point out specifically where you think you were attacked by me and what I did that got you so upset. You are forever a victim, feeling sorry for yourself and thinking that everything revolves around you. With such selfishness you are not capable of being a friend.

eclectica

2004-01-04, 18:20

There are folks who are your friends in a public manner, visible to all on the forum. And others try to have their friendships communicated by way of PMs (personal messages), in a very private manner. I think real friendship is a very public thing. Sending tons of PMs to someone, but remaining publicly silent, doesn't make the person your friend, but shows instead weakness, duplicity, and lack of conviction. Duplicitous cowards have all their friends through PMs because they don't have the courage to stand up for their friends in public, and they don't have the courage to take sides. Instead they try to be everyone's friend. A PM friend is no friend at all, but instead is a popularity whore.

slx

2004-01-04, 19:24

Originally posted by eclectica
I think real friendship is a very public thing. Sending tons of PMs to someone, but remaining publicly silent, doesn't make the person your friend, but shows instead weakness, duplicity, and lack of conviction. Duplicitous cowards have all their friends through PMs because they don't have the courage to stand up for their friends in public, and they don't have the courage to take sides. Instead they try to be everyone's friend. A PM friend is no friend at all, but instead is a popularity whore. you see this harv

do you dude

nicobie

2004-01-05, 01:21

Originally posted by slx

you still shaping wood?

Yes,

it keeps me honest.

Unregistered

2004-01-05, 01:32

harby, it doesn't really matter who I am.

I found what eclectica said to be profoundly true. When you are dealing with someone who has hissy fits every time you turn around, it can become very tiresome, not to mention the boy crying wolf factor.

There is a comfortableness with true friends. You can say anything to a true friend and know there won't be repurcussions, wailing, gnashing of teeth, threats of jumping from tall objects, etc. True friends know that you won't hurt them and roll along with you through good and bad.

I have a friend that thought I was worth educating. I got my ass kicked, I cried, I got my feelings hurt but when all was said and done, I am a much stronger person and I stand up for myself, because of that pal and everything that they took the time to teach me. Life lessons I guess you could call it and I'll always be grateful that they didn't coddle me but told me the truth even when I didn't want to hear it.

Eclectica is right, I don't do you any favors coddling you or feeling sorry for you.

Unregistered

2004-01-05, 01:58

Unregistered

2004-01-05, 03:10

i have found that people on the net are not real friends.

lies come too easy, and some get off on deception.

Guess'd

2004-01-05, 03:13

what does refusing to identify one's self publicly under their more recognised name imply?

Guess who

2004-01-05, 03:15

Originally posted by Unregistered
harby, it doesn't really matter who I am.

that is the most dishonest thing i've ever heard said..isn't this duplicitous?

pot/kettle

Guess who

2004-01-05, 03:16

Originally posted by Unregistered
i have found that people on the net are not real friends.

lies come too easy, and some get off on deception.

I find this to be very true

jizz

2004-01-05, 03:37

maybe it's easy to reveal your identity if you don't actually care, but then perhaps all you are revealing is a ficticious character.

At this moment i prefer to remain anonymous in my opinions because saying what i really feel and revealing my identity at the same time opens avenues for ridicule that i do not feel strong enough to cope with at the moment.

Unregistered

2004-01-05, 04:14

Originally posted by Unregistered
i have found that people on the net are not real friends.

lies come too easy, and some get off on deception. and you say that anonymously....lol at you

Unregistered

2004-01-05, 04:18

Originally posted by Guess who
that is the most dishonest thing i've ever heard said..isn't this duplicitous?

pot/kettle how so

the person that said that didn't say she was a friend of Harvey....they simply gave their opinion on what ec said earlier

have i missed any deception in what was said?

slx

2004-01-05, 04:20

Originally posted by Unregistered
and you say that anonymously....lol at you i said that....i forgot to log in

slx

2004-01-05, 04:22

Originally posted by harby
too bad I don't know who i am talking to...why not come forward show me your bravery and your nakedness by example in embracing mine.

you ask me to come forth publicly...why won't you do the same? the boat sailed without you again Harb

slx

2004-01-05, 04:35

Originally posted by harby
yes you missed it entirely...a person posting as unregistered said it didn't really matter who he/she was/is.

i say it matters to me...i want to know who is saying these things to me...the person or a person.(as there may be several) posting as unregistred also said "don't you remember me? i was the one who told you to hold on to your happy and hopeful that day when you woke up feeling so good."

unregistered didn't tell me that...a person registered or posting under the psuedonym/avatar of pii did.

who is pii? is it you, steve?

and why when i say your name that you go by 'offline' it is seen as an 'attack' to you? harb....look at it like this dude....if i was at Home Depot buying some 2x4's and a complete stranger came over and told me that i had this huge green slab of dried snot on my mustache i'd be grateful..

you know why dude...cause that stranger saved me from exposing the cashier and others to my snotty face

Pii....not me, sorry dude and dude....you can call me steve if you want...afterall that is my name, ya know

eclectica

2004-01-05, 05:08

Originally posted by harby
but as you?(please tell me if you are someone I know) pointed out...and the now deceased (mike) has pointed out..comfort is an illusion and also our greatest enemy it stifles innovation, creativity and resourcefulness...not an exact quote....but a good attempt to remember the words said.
Here is the quote, from the Marines:
"Comfort is an illusion. A false security bred from familiar things and familiar ways. It narrows the mind. Weakens the body. And robs the soul of spirit and determination. Comfort is neither welcome nor tolerated here."

slx

2004-01-05, 05:14

Originally posted by harby
Steve I've seen you post before in the now deceased RU that 'slx' can't access .NET...however 'Steve' can.wrong bubba....slx or steve couldn't....but hey man....that shit's way too old to even talk about anymore, so give it up dude

nanook (bless her dear, dear heart) couldn't grasp the concept of what you were saying..as she was associating 'slx' with you whereas you refered to this online representation of yourself 'slx' in 3rd person....i am slx...i am steve....and kel call's me honey...so that makes me slx, steve & honey....

feel free to call me any of the above

are you now doing the same with Pii and unregistered? are you the one who told me to 'hold onto my hopeful and happy' is what I am asking. i told you i'm not pii and i tried to correct the post i made unregistered....by stating that was me

Originally posted by harby
to deny one's on words is to be dishonest...look at the awful terms thrown around at me for wanting to guard and protect my own personal privacy by responding through the use of pm's to Tom, my friend online...and possibly offline if he wants to be.

I'm stopped feeling threatened after you replied to me in this thread Tom as eclectica and expressed real feelings to me...that i appreciate, respect and admire...and most importantly learn from...you aren't the first person to tell me they felt the need to 'walk on eggshells' around me...:O) stop sniveling like a baby harby.......if you can't take what people say to you on a public internet forum then stick to surfin the porn or jesus sites, whichever suits you best

slx

2004-01-05, 05:55

Originally posted by harby
yes you've told me that you weren't pii...but was what you told me accurate?

lol, pedantics and arguing with lawyer's hmmm accuracy's in the eye of the believer harb

it's your call what you think...i could give a rat's ass

i have no complexes that keep me awake at night worrying about being told to eat shit and die while playing on the WWW

Unregistered

2004-01-06, 23:37

what does refusing to identify one's self publicly under their more recognised name imply?

At this moment i prefer to remain anonymous in my opinions because saying what i really feel and revealing my identity at the same time opens avenues for ridicule that i do not feel strong enough to cope with at the moment.

eclectica

2004-01-06, 23:42

Here are some inspiring quotes for those of you who need courage:
http://www.joinme.net/pilgrim/About courage.htm

eclectica

2004-01-07, 00:28

Originally posted by harby
sorry tom but diego said u have been impersonating 'i'll do it for a dollah' here on this forum..and if u have then that is just mean...

i hope this was a lie.
lol

:eatout: <--is my ass well enough shaven for you?

Unregistered

2004-01-07, 01:44

Originally posted by harby
[b]i implore slx..be clear and concise..no meandering..
lol...harb....we're all unique thinkers...your interpretation of my ramblings might be different that someone elses

lucidity isn't black & white

tom knows my 'loneliness' is my GREATEST WEAKNESS i hear sheep make excellent companions harb

Admirer of Dollar

2004-01-07, 02:50

That right there should tell you an awful lot about Diego.

No one, and I mean no one, could impersonate Dollar in any kind of believable way for more than one sentence.

slx

2004-01-07, 02:51

Originally posted by harby
you evil bastard! sorry harv...i forgot to log in again....i made the post suggesting you get a sheep for companionship

sorry

nicobie

2004-01-07, 03:23

Harby is worthless.........

he got the diarrhea of everything.

Unregistered

2004-01-07, 04:00

Originally posted by nicobie
Harby is worthless.........

he got the diarrhea of everything.
a barrel of idaho potatos plummeting down a hill wouldn't have enough rolleyes for that mean heartless statement.

Unregistered

2004-01-07, 05:09

Originally posted by harby
and one last thing...i'm not usually this pushy...but you said something about agreeing with ecletica's take on 'coddling' me
that wasn't me....it was a different "unregistered" poster. i don't feel that i am coddling you by showing you the respect you deserve as a person. what nicobie said to you was just plain ignorant and mean.
i do understand however what it feels like not to feel up to a challenge...the challenge in this case opening yourself up to 'undue criticism' for 'supporting me' as a friend or whatever, however u see me.
it would be opening myself up to criticism....period. it has nothing to do with you personally. i've always considered you a friend.

Ununregistered

2004-01-07, 12:51

Originally posted by eclectica
A PM friend is no friend at all, but instead is a popularity whore.

registered

2004-01-07, 17:46

ununregistered: i believe you are taking eclecticas statement out of context. in my opinion he means that a PM friend that is only a PM friend is no friend at all.

when a person lacks the conviction or courage to publicly stand up for a friend, that person is no friend.

slx

2004-01-07, 18:56

Originally posted by harby
i.e., "i love my wife...but i don't go to the top of the empire state building and shout it to the world." i'd do that...only i'd use her name instead of the term "my wife"

as a matter of fact...the next time i'm in NYC i'm gonna do it

ec....you have a spare bedroom for 2?

registered

2004-01-07, 22:08

Originally posted by harby
under what circumstances are you referring to:

to publicly stand up for a friend
i'm referring to within a forum. thought that was obvious.

eclectica

2004-01-07, 23:36

I'm not saying that sending a lot of PMs or e-mails makes a person less of a friend. But what I am saying, is that friendship requires a type of boldness that ought to withstand public scrutiny and testing. A person whose friendship is only displayed on a forum in the form of PMs and e-mails, is not to me a good friend. Do you see the difference between a guy who dates a girl covertly and keeps it a secret from his friends, versus a guy who marries her? Following your argument harby, there is no difference. A lot of White guys are willing to date (in other words, fuck) Black girls but not marry them. Why is that? It's due to not having the courage to make one's friendships or relationships public. Theoretically nothing is wrong with an exclusively private relationship, any more than there is something intrinsically corrupting in having absolute power. But what it allows is a type of cowardliness and duplicity. You're so-called friendships have not been put through any tests. How can you call them sturdy or worthy?

I would like you to affirm your loyalty to your friends by holding your hand to your heart and pledging your allegiance to them in this public forum. Afterwards I would also like you to hold a dagger in your right hand and curse their enemies, again in this public forum. By the way, how did you vote on this poll (http://www.3-3-3.org/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13)?

eclectica

2004-01-08, 00:34

Originally posted by harby
be forewarned..i predict people will get their feelings hurt if this thread and discussion is allowed to continue..i also foresee my banning again...from some places whose value to me is questionable to say the least.
say what you have to say. pledge allegiance to what you believe in. affirm your loyalties.

JUST DO IT

registered

2004-01-08, 01:00

so i invite u to make urself known to me via email..do not PM on this board or any other Vbulletin board as pm's are not private...i won't say tom reads them...i will say trust no one...
harby, you wrote this to me when i was posting as unregistered. can't e-mail you anyway...ur e-mail address is not listed. just don't want you to think i'm ignoring ya.

i also foresee my banning again...from some places whose value to me is questionable to say the least.
???

slx

2004-01-08, 02:32

Originally posted by harby
[b]but be forewarned..i predict people will get their feelings hurt if this thread and discussion is allowed to continue..i also foresee my banning again...from some places whose value to me is questionable to say the least.

-Tim that ain't gonna happen...you're the only that's blubbering like a baby about it

harb as i see it dude....you try to personalize everything you say...did it ever occur to you that some folks might just want to interact witout making it personal

dude...if you want to chat or develop strong, lasting relationships find yourself a good aol chatroom or a singles channel on irc

registered

2004-01-08, 03:00

Originally posted by harby
per the --->[b]???<--- it's best we don't mention those
???
i really don't understand what your're talking about in the previous statement you made.
and as for the other...you didn't hide ur email addy when signing up for this site..if u haven't done it yet (most likely its too late...) to ur profile under options and hide ur email if u don't won't ppl effin' with you impersonating ppl whom u might want to talk to.
i don't see any reason to hide my e-mail.
i also tried viewing ur shared files (via yahoo messenger) just for the hell of it..to see if you were sharing anything..and if i could..most a curiosity thing..this isn't the same as netbios and doesn't involve any *acking. also looked at ya profile and tried viewing ya briefcase..pretty standard practices when curious about someone, something or somebody...
i don't use yahoo messenger, and i don't have a briefcase.

geesh....if i wanted you to know who i am...i'd tell ya. :)

registered

2004-01-08, 04:08

tim, i do think of you as a friend...but you're giving me headache. :)

ok...i said: "it would be opening myself up to criticism....period. it has nothing to do with you personally. i've always considered you a friend"

and i said: "when a person lacks the conviction or courage to publicly stand up for a friend, that person is no friend."

you said: "and now (sighs) we do the dance of evil"

then you said: "and to drive the nail upon the head...
Jesus would say..depart from me thy wicked and evil servant...i never knew thee!"

wtf? tell me you're just tired. you can't possibly be serious.

not wanting to reveal who i am has nothing whatsoever to do with you. just because i think nicobie should not have called you worthless, does not mean that i want to say who i am to you, or anyone else. if he had called anyone else on this forum worthless, i would have said the same thing.

does it really matter who i am? as long as you know i consider you a friend, that's all that should matter.

as i quoted earlier in this thread:
At this moment i prefer to remain anonymous in my opinions because saying what i really feel and revealing my identity at the same time opens avenues for ridicule that i do not feel strong enough to cope with at the moment.
please respect my reasons to remain anonymous, as a friend would do, and don't take things so personally. :)

slx

2004-01-08, 04:13

Originally posted by harby
beware the trolls here...they do exist...and i....am not one of them i am

and proud of it

slx

2004-01-08, 04:18

Originally posted by harby
you, me and a few others may want to interact without making it personal (statement) [/end of statement...begin observation..NOW!]

---->interact without making it personal<-----

isn't this what we've been doing the past 2 pages?!?

haven't "we" (collectively) made this personal...as i see it

ANY interaction we have with another person/human being..not matter the method of communication...changes and affects us.

I learn from you..i hope you learn from me..it's recipricol..it's sharing..usually knowledge, wisdom or insight...i feel we are all 'friends' here. you, me, eclectica, registered, criminal sniper, mekajinn, assorted, dollah...dare i say nicobie?

and any others i forgot or failed to mention that make up our little ratnest here..aka 'our circle of friends' harv....i assume you've been laid a time or 2.....and i'll bet you're the type that fell in love with each of your encounters

immaturity passes dude

registered

2004-01-08, 04:31

peace and goodnight tim. :)

Criminal_Sniper

2004-01-08, 08:35

well considering most of the net
hmmm u guys and girls are pretty ok
hmmm look at zp sometimes....
i think im immature i think im 19
fucking is the no 1 goal
take a walk
relax
lol
take a chill pill if ya got one.....
:eatout:

Criminal_Sniper

2004-01-08, 08:38

patience ....is a 56k and a linux ditro to dl

Criminal_Sniper

2004-01-09, 13:25

my mate is still on a 33k
im glad i moved from 56 goddamn

Dollar_Girl

2004-03-02, 14:58

Originally posted by Criminal_Sniper
my mate is still on a 33k
im glad i moved from 56 goddamn

aha, or this thread would still be loading

nicobie

2004-03-06, 01:42

;) $,

is it true u have the biggest feet around?

I u'sed to worry about silly shit like this......

not anymore. Now I'm mostly looking for my friends, (and dinner).

:bluefish: :bluefish: :bluefish:

Dollar_Girl

2004-03-09, 20:39

for some reason i notice alot of ur posts either contain my name or are ABOUT me - i think ur obsessive and i can imagine you having a crush on your next door neighbour, and then standing ouside her window at night, whacking off while she gets undressed for bed. I nowhere welcomed the element of creepiness, and ur creepy.

Dollar_Girl

2004-03-09, 22:39

Originally posted by nicobie
;) $,

is it true u have the biggest feet around?

I u'sed to worry about silly shit like this......

not anymore. Now I'm mostly looking for my friends, (and dinner).

:bluefish: :bluefish: :bluefish:

i'm a ladies australian 10.... *sigh*... most shoes only go upto a 10 in ladies, and plus my feet are wide. Indeed i am deformed :beer:

eclectica

2004-03-09, 23:06

Originally posted by wishful thinking
have you, forgotten your nature?

every time u address me as 'harby' u seem to have..at least to me.
Harby, when I address you as "Harby" it is not that I am holding a grudge, but that it is the name which suits you best, despite your name change.

I now turn the question on you and ask if you've forgotten your nature, for you are implying that it is an insult to be called "Harby", when it should be the highest honor bestowed upon anyone, to be called "Harby" and to be equated with you.

You are Harby and you ought to be proud of it.

assorted

2004-03-09, 23:33

/me skims 3 pages of this thread

i don't get how everyone can use words like "friends" or "community" for people that have never met each other. i mean, what's the value inherent in these relationships anyway? it doesn't seem like there is any.

assorted

2004-03-12, 02:34

Originally posted by wishful thinking
i read this again and can't help but wonder...when you were involved with naphoria..didn't you have strong and 'lasting' (may not be right word) relationships with the principle players there?

well, so far i've met jackuzi, waldo, hellbound and naz. and i have continuing relationships with most of them. in other words, any people that i met online i switched over to real life fairly quickly.

people that i haven't switched over too "real life" like that... no i don't think words like friendship or community are applicable.

i guess what i'm not undestanding is forum drama stuff, specifically why people get so emotionally involved. but yeah, i guess i got involved in naphoria so i'm talking out my ass...

but how in the world could you get upset at the naptitties? so many of them and all of the ones running it are fucking retarded!