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2004-10-13, 05:32
the rat bastards will spend more trying to find me for downloading a shitty copy of a bad flick than they will to find osama

US launches landmark new crackdown on film, music piracy
Tue Oct 12, 5:50 PM ET

LOS ANGELES (AFP) - The United States announced a landmark crackdown on film and musical piracy targeting counterfeiters and their customers in an assault modelled on the wars on drugs and terror.

US Attorney General John Ashcroft (news - web sites) launched the aggressive new offensive on what he said was an "epidemic" of criminal piracy in Los Angeles, home to the Hollywood movie business and much of the US music industry.

Unveiling recommendations from a body set up by his Department of Justice (news - web sites) to protect intellectual property rights, Ashcroft said he was planning legislative and regulatory assaults on music and film thieves.

He called the plan "a blueprint for the most aggressive, the most ambitious, the most far-reaching law enforcement effort ever undertaken to protect intellectual property and to counter the impact of intellectual theft.

"As intellectual property's value to our economy has become more important, however, the theft of this national resource has become epidemic," he said, adding that the scourge threatened the US economy.

"With the recommendations put forward by the task force, the department is prepared to build the strongest, most aggressive legal assault against intellectual property crime in our nation's history," he said.

The Justice Department (news - web sites)'s Task Force on Intellectual Property issued 55 pages of recommendations aimed at protecting the recording and cinema industry from an estimated 250 billion of dollars in annual piracy losses.

The report, compiled by a dozen top Justice Department officials over the past seven months, calls for a crackdown on all offenders from solo operators to international crime rings that are cost US businesses dearly.

Among the recommendations to be implemented are a proposal to charge and prosecute intellectual property crimes under federal laws as much as possible, in the same way the US government targets organized crime, fraud and illegal importation, such as drug trafficking.

"We're going to make it much more difficult for individuals to be involved in this arena," Ashcroft told reporters.

"Right now, this part of our economy is hemorrhaging and we will stem the flow with an aggressive programme that's been recommended (by) this task force," he said.

The task force proposed a dozen changes to rules governing criminal enforcement of intellectual property law and also called for the opening of five new anti-piracy offices across the United States.

Intellectual property industries make up approximately six percent of the US gross domestic product, employ more than five million people, and contribute 626 billion to the US economy, Ashcroft said.

The growing value of intellectual property coupled with the ease and low cost of copyright infringement via means such as the Internet has significantly boosted the threat of theft in recent years.

"Well-organized criminal enterprises have recently begun to increase the scale, scope, and sophistication of international theft and counterfeiting," the Justice Department said in a statement.

The advent of new technology such as Internet downloads has significantly worsened the problem, allowing thieves to steal at the click of a button.

Dan Glickman, the new president of the Hollywood studios' influential lobbying body, the Motion Picture Association of America, applauded "the aggressive" initiatives aimed at protecting his industry.

"Piracy of intellectual property is a massive, global problem with far-reaching implications on the US economy," he said.

"In addition to hard goods piracy, which is rampant throughout the world, peer-to-peer networks that facilitate illegal file sharing are some of the most dangerous threats to copyright ownership today," he said.

2004-10-13, 13:35
As intellectual property's value to our economy has become more important, however, the theft of this national resource has become epidemic.

They ought to think of the situation where people don't pay (it is not "stealing" because it is from a digital copy) for "intellectual property" as a type of tax break, which should stimulate the economy and put the money into the pockets of the American people. In addition it allows more people more options, which stimulates the economy more. For example, thanks to copying some poor kid can afford Adobe Photoshop and can put his talents to use and become a graphics designer of some type, thus stimulating the economy. If he really had to pay for the program then he probably wouldn't have, and that would be a loss because his talents would go to waste.

2004-10-13, 20:57
It seems they are talking more about the actual "piracy", (selling for a profit), intellectual thieves. But of course, the internet makes this easier for them, as well as the downloading of music.
I agree with you both. There are much more important things to worry about than whether or not I am downloading a tune, I probably wouldn't have even bought in the first place.
Like your example, Eclectica, the boy who attained the adobe photoshop, probably would have never even purchased it in the first place.
The internet allows so many people the chance to learn and experience things which may have been only for the elite, if not for open source and free-ware on the internet. And of course those technological geniuses who make it easy to attain most anything for free.
And they are being self-centered. I can hear music I would never have heard from all around the world. By artist whom I would never have known. Spurring me or anyone else, on to buying their works or going to thier concerts. It helps the whole worlds economy in a way, not only their own.
Seems to me the statistics showed that only a small percentage of Americans actually download, the rest is from all around the world. Those figures may have changed by now.
I guess they figure they must get a grip on it now, before every single household is downloading.
Do you think it will come down to ISP's having to change thier business format(privacy), concerning thier customers?

2004-10-13, 22:30
Do you think it will come down to ISP's having to change thier business format(privacy), concerning thier customers?
i think it was yesterday, our supreme court refused to hear arguments from the riaa regarding obtaining names & addresses of users from their respective isp by simply filing a single page form for a subpoena compelling that info...a huge setback for the entertainment industry (clap really loud here)

basically copyright holders can't force isp's to identify file sharers using a subpoena...however i imagine they'll maintain the "john doe" approach to identifying us scoundrel thieves

2004-10-14, 12:40
The Supreme Court declined to hear an appeal on October 12 for a lower court decision (http://www.3-3-3.org/forum/showthread.php?t=219) that was made 2003-12-19, which retains that lower court's decision. This means that the RIAA must obtain the identity of p2p filesharers by filing a "John Doe" lawsuit in the court. It can not compel the ISP to give up the identity of its users without them filing such a lawsuit. This gives ISPs more power to protect the privacy of their subscribers. But I think an ISP can still cooperate with the RIAA if it wants to. I'm not sure if any ISPs have cooperated so far but I think some small mom & pop ones, or big lame ones like AOL have voluntarily cooperated. The best defenders of p2p filesharers have been the DSL providers such as Verizon and SBC. For them protecting the customer makes business sense because p2p filesharing is part of the lure of getting broadband and is good for their business. Cable companies have been less receptive to p2p filesharing because of the drain of bandwidth upon their collectively shared coaxial cables. It is harder for them to upgrade their network to increase capacity under such circumstances than for the DSL telephone companies.

Ideally there would be legislative protection of the consumer which would force ISPs to respect p2p filesharers and render impotent the RIAA/MPAA/BSA monsters. However this is unlikely to happen soon, as low-profile legislation is more likely driven by special interests than by any benevolence towards the people. Neither Democrats or Republicans have been good at protecting the interests of the p2p filesharers. So far only the courts have provided relief for p2p filesharers.

In a competitive market place, as long as people maintain vigilance and awareness towards various ISPs, the ISPs will be forced to respect the rights and privacy of p2p filesharers. One way in which ISPs can further help their customers is by destroying their IP logs quickly, so that any lawsuit seeking the identity of a user based on an IP address would be ineffective.

Unfortunately with the current persecution of p2p filesharers, the interests of p2p filesharers and child pornographers coincide, so that each one is trying to find a way of transferring files without getting busted. This is the direct fault of people like John Ashcroft and the RIAA, or any other anti-p2p zealots. By criminalizing and stigmatizing p2p filesharing, what they have done is created more encryption, proxying, and darknets that aid child pornographers.

2004-10-15, 12:26
By criminalizing and stigmatizing p2p filesharing, what they have done is created more encryption, proxying, and darknets that aid child pornographers.

I did read the whole thing, Eclectica, but what an excellent point you made with this one. Where is Nicobie when you need him?
Those fuckers need to DIE PORNOGRAPHERS DIE!